I don’t buy it from slick JB.

Ewwww…

Joe, after the surge is over, we make sure that the Iraqi government can handle things and continue the programs that helped make the surge work, then we leave the country, with a stable, independent democracy in the middle east.

Under Obama’s plan, we would have fled Iraq at the height of the sectarian violence. If you believe that withdrawing the 100,000 American troops and infrastructure builders holding that country together would have resulted in “peace and stability and a growing democracy” in several years, you are a blind fool. It would have caused a complete civil war with Iran prancing in to mop up the pieces. But admit it - that is what you secretly wanted anyway. Then more blame could be slapped at Bush. Failure and defeat in Iraq was Obama’s ticket to power. Your ticket has been canceled.

His plan???? He had a plan for success in Iraq, paaaalease! His plan was to fail, now that the military is winning this mess, he and some of the other Democrats who pushed for failure have a whole new spin on this war.

Joe “ole squinty eyes” Biden voted against the surge, the surge worked, and now he is trying to get credit?! Amazing at how low these demon-crats are.

He should learned well from France, which they used to divide in our country for 100 years ago, it works by divide our country to 3 parts, learn and talk with different sound, so we can hate each others for many years, even now we still suffer from that bitter history.
He is very smart by learning divide to control, so you think he will does the samething in this country to get him more power, let one group to against other group, so no one will have time to think more about Government. Let divide rich and poor (which they do it now by telling let raise tax to rich people and give them to poor people, it good way to energized poor people to vote, if Democrat did what they said, I think this country will had no poor people after many years of Democrat control)
What else next, they may divide black, white, yellow, red, blue to group so let them fight themselves as he want it in Iraq.
Sharing profit is not divide.

I don’t think the kind of guarantees Mr. Biden is talking about could have even been possible without the success of the “surge” that McCain pushed.
Mr. Biden’s request for McCain to be some kind of fortune teller is remarkable. He knows that’s a red herring..

What can you expect from Old Joe. He said correctly Obama was not qualified now he is his running mate. He voted for the war in Irag then abandoned the troops. He wanted out of Iraq and wanted to split the country into ethnic pcs.. Well when everything you say is wrong then the only thing left is to try to claim credit for what is right. Typical Joe. The plagerist live on. You go Joe. You make a perfect side kick for the Snake Oil Salesman Obama.

No Wonder Hamas Endorses Obama

You can see why Hamas endorses Obama, and why Palestinians actually run phone banks from terrorist-run territories on Obama’s behalf.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/06/no_wonder_hamas.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Biden is a complete idiot.

Biden is a complete idiot

What a looser…..Seams he or Obama can’t admit to being wrong, kinda sounds like they are being like they accuse Bush of being.Unable to admit being wrong, yea, we need more people like that in the white house. Go home Joe.I loved it when at the DNC How Joe said he and John McCain were friends…..some friend.Maybe if you hadn’t been so hasty to flip flop on Obama (first he said he was not ready for the Presidency) and jump on the wagon for personal gain,maybe your friend would have appointed you a cabinet position.Now your on your own…discredited and a shame to Congress.

Biden can’t keep Sunni and Shiia straight in his mind — the Shiia are running the country, Joe, not “growing in autonomy.” No one in the press corps caught that?

What is even more shocking is his spin on the Biden plan to split Iraq into 3 countries. Semi-autonomous regions are one thing; it’s yet another to let the Kurds form Kurdistan (and so on).

Biden is right, though, to question McCain’s end game. We, the voters, should question Obama’s purposes in this amorphous “change” that he advocates. If American politics have taught us anything, it’s that the Democrats and the Republicans can screw things up equally well.

What is YOUR definition of victory Joe (and Barack)? Does withdrawal of troops in 16 months equal victory? The US, under whatever administration, is going to have to maintain a significant foward presence in Iraq for a significant period of time.

Oh please - I don’t believe for even a half-second that Joe Biden came up with that plan. If that was the case, why is he just now trying to take credit for it. I also love how they are trying so hard to get people to stop talking about the troop surge - the very surge they were dead-set against, the very same surge that worked - and to try to spin it in another direction.

It’s phony and it won’t work - Americans are not stupid, just as Obama said this weekend, and they’ll see right through that ruse.

[...] For Iraq’s Success Jump to Comments Biden never ceases to amze with his talent for hyperbole and self-inflation. Joe Biden’s proposal to quell violence in Iraq by splitting the country into separate, [...]

Under Obama’s plan, we never would have waged an illegal war. Our administration would not have fabricated a HUGE amount of intelligence to justify an invasion of a foreign nation without provocation. We would not have blood on our hands and we wouldn’t be criminals.

This is too rich! Let me see if I can follow the logic:
1. Biden proposed a plan to split Iraq into 3 parts
2. The plan was never implemented
3. The plan is working
Huh? Only from the mouth of a politician…
PS: This plan comes from the party that says the U.S. is imperialistic and gets too involved in the internal affairs of other countries.

Please Joe, stop the insanity. All of you want Iraq to fail so you can say, “See, I told you so”. And now when we are seeing successes in Iraq you want to take credit for it? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at how far you will go. I am in Iraq now and I work with a group of Iraqi’s consisting of Kurds, Sunnis, Shias, and Christians. While they don’t agree with each other all the time, they are working together because they know the future of their country depends on it. Maybe we Americans should try to work together better so we don’t have people in the US who want to divide it like Iraq.

Hawk,

McCain and company want to continue to focus on Obama’s opposition to the surge (for good reason); but let’s not forget to talk about McCain’s original support for this misguided, poorly planned war. Instead of focusing on the REAL threat in Iran and finishing what we started in Afghanistan we jumped into this unilateral mis-adventure in Iraq, which in turn has done absolutely nothing to increase security at home or in the region.

I have always had good fellings about Joe Biden, but after watching his interview on Meet The Press, I surely hve changed my mind about him. He is slick and he lied through his teeth.

[What Obama and Biden will do is draw down forces along a timetable — something Biden said everyone in America agrees with except for John McCain.]

For the record, you don’t speak for me, John, much less “every American except John McCain.” Tell me, John, did you develop your foreign policy expertise while you were fighting in a war for America, or when you were a POW?

I suggest you abandon your own ideas and plagiarize some from John McCain, the next President of the United States. Afterall, it’s worked for you in the past.

Joe Biden is a shameless pantload. Taking credit for something he had virtually nothing to do with is just what we should expect from this professional politician. It’s not at all surprising that he covers his bets by simultaneously running for re-election to the Senate. He should retire from public life.

Under Obama’s plan, we would have fled Iraq at the height of the sectarian violence. If you believe that withdrawing the 100,000 American troops and infrastructure builders holding that country together would have resulted in “peace and stability and a growing democracy” in several years, you are a blind fool. It would have caused a complete civil war with Iran prancing in to mop up the pieces. But admit it - that is what you secretly wanted anyway. Then more blame could be slapped at Bush. Failure and defeat in Iraq was Obama’s ticket to power. Your ticket has been canceled.

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I think the point he is trying to make is that increasing your presence in an occupation may quell violence for a while, but it isn’t a solution to violence. As soon as you walk away, it springs back up. Hence, now that your surge has worked, what will you do?

Biden’s argument is that you do what he originally proposed: you separate the religious factions into autonomous regions. This is what has been happening and why the fires are slowly going out. Throwing more troops at a problem treats the symptoms just fine, but it does nothing to address the disease. What is the rational outcome of increasing troop levels other than a temporary solution to the problem? Biden is asking McCain for his long term solution. I’m not saying McCain doesn’t have one. I’d like to hear it, though.

Joe…dude you are delusional. I forgot, now that you have a community organizer on your side…add a few extra excerpts from another speech that is not yours and…yeap, that explains the whole thing…
You really have a problem with integrity…

Yeah, it’s scary not knowing how McCain/Palin will do after their party so screwed everything up. Here is a very interesting read I found from an unusual and surprisingly religious perspective. I highly recommend checking it out:

http://www.newsflavor.com/Opinions/McCain-Hijacks-Christianity-Via-Palin.240929

Yey right and snowflakes are produced in hell! Is anyone really even listening to Old Joe?

What do Republicans want? Seriously. Do they want Iraq to be safe and stable, or do they want to stay over there, pouring trillions of dollars into the country until it is a member of the UN Security Counsel? Do you want to win the “hearts and minds” if the Iraqi people? Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Name your f#%$#ing objective, and we can debate it. Remember, the U.S. has (and never had) any business being over in that country - the whole war was based on misinformation by Bush. Even Bush is pulling out. Only McCain is holding fast to some mystical objective for the country, calling everyone else who wants to leave “cowards.”

Republicans have such great plans and dreams for Iraq’s future. What are your plans and dreams for America’s future, besides lowering taxes for rich people? Learn now, before it is too late, that energy needs and our involvement in the middle east are intrinsically linked. Developing fule independence and moving away from oil will be a true victory.

HawkTheSlayer, we need new Republican leadership, unfortunately that will not come without installing the Democrats in office for a couple of years and inspiring the old guard, as happened in 1994 with Newt Gingrich. Don’t blindly follow Bush down the path of American blunders. He is a Republican in label only, nothing he has done has helped move this country forward. A vote for McCain/Palin will only perpetuate the direction that Bush has taken us, a one way train to economic and homeland despair. We don’t have $8 Billion to shore up our Highway Trust Fund while we spend $400 Billion rebuilding some godforsaken country that hasn’t shown us the least bit of gratitude. Get it straight HawkGayer, you are are hurting this country, we need to take it back! NewRepublicans for Democratic victory in 2008!

Very NICE! Thank goodness for Joe Biden and his suggestions and taking all the credit on the surge success in Iraq…LMAO! Uh…yeah…that’s change we can believe in JoeBama…LOL!!

Did Joe co-invent the internet too?

biden’s taking credit for the surge success now? sounds like alcohol driven dementia to me. but it isn’t as bad as obama’s 3rd attempt at resolving the georgia invasion (supposedly after conferring with his 300 foreign relations experts) by referring it to the united nations security council where russia has veto powers. i sure don’t want anyone on that ticket taking any 3 a.m. calls for my country. come to think of it, i don’t think 2 pm calls would be handled any better.
dennisintn

The Democrats attempting to take ANY credit for Iraq is the biggest running joke around!

According to an article that appeared on the news site NewsMax.com Joe Biden is a five time draft dodger. One deferment was for childhood asthma although he later went on to write about his sports abilities in swimming and football. My question is “Why hasn’t this information been revealed in the major news outlets”?

Fred
Stevensville, Montana

I love Biden. He is going to be a drag on what’s left of Obama’s exciting run. Just let joe go. What a serious nut job. McCain/PALIN 2008!!!

Maybe if Bush didn’t invade Iraq over false pretenses . . . we would never have to debate whether the surge worked.

After more than 4,000 dead Americans, thousands more wounded, and umpteen thousands of dead Iraqis, with Iraq in ruins and the US in debt forever and still shelling out 10 billion a month . . . the question is not whether the surge worked, but whether Bush wrong and Obama right?

It’s one thing to decide whether to start a war . . . it’s another thing on how to fight it. Bush was wrong to start a war and wrong on how to fight it.

Obama was right about not starting a war . . . and McCain was right on how to fight it.

I’ll take Obama for not starting a war for all the right reasons over how to fight a war after all the wrong reasons to start it.

Joe Biden and all democrats job for the last eight years was to give heck to Pres Bush. Joe you haven’t done anything worth bragging about, why don’t you try working with your ailing congress that has taken over all the democrats by being do nothing waste of government people

McCain just wants to surge, surge and surge again. If they don’t like the puppet government figures the U.S. put into place McCain will just surge again. McCain treats the word surge as if it is a can of Raid roach spray and he sees the insurgents as a roach problem. This not a job for the Orkin man, this a job for the President of the United States to be able to disagree with other countries, ideas and cultures but without losing alliances to the over security and prosperity of the U.S.

Biden, are you for real? Just another idiotic thing that came out of your mouth.

I suppose JB’s approach to the US would be the same? Divide along ethnic and economic lines? Good though JB. Let’s try to come up with a solution that will stand the test of time!

Please don’t tell us it is what every american wants!

What will happen when we stop paying insurgents to not fight? There has certainly been a surge in cash payouts to various factions. Do you plan to keep that going for as long as necessary, McCain/Palin? Do a google search on Sons of Iraq.

YOU TALK ABOUT SURGE, SURRRGGE WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? INTIALLY WHAT DID WE GO FOR?

Wow. This is reminiscent of some other incredible (and incredibly amusing!) moments in Democrat history. Moments such as when Al Gore took credit for inventing the internet, or when Jesse Jackson was Bill Clinton’s spiritual advisor, during his sex-with-a-chubby-intern crisis!

Joe Biden’s plan is working in Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!1? I’m about to bust a gut! These guys crack me up; there’s no telling what hijinx they’ll be up to next!

Go Obama/Biden, for the best comic relief, ever! But go McCain/Palin, for President and VP in ‘08!

PS: Jesse Jackson, a spiritual advisor :O

Sounds to me like Joe just voted “PRESENT”.

Biden thinks the public is as dunb as he is stupid.

“Joe, after the surge is over, we make sure that the Iraqi government can handle things and continue the programs that helped make the surge work, then we leave the country, with a stable, independent democracy in the middle east.”

Fine, but when are the Republicans going to detail their plan to make this happen? “Victory” as a platform is completely insufficient. Biden’s comment on promoting the autonomous regions is a specific.

College

what a joke. Perfect running mate for Obama the empty suit. Here is a guy who is now trying to take credit for victory in Iraq. What a shameless attempt by the democrats.

Not only is this a shameless attempt to take credit, but Obama and Biden both look down on those who serve in the military and would have rather brought them home in shame and defeat to further their own political purppose than provide them the means by which to secure VICTORY! JOHN S. McCAIN would rather lose an election that lose a war. That is how deeply he cares for our young men and women serving in the military and for America. It is not about John, it never has been. It is about us and America.

John knows what it is like coming home from a war where the perception is that we lost. John McCain served in that war. John will not let that happen again. If you care about your family and the future of this great nation and its people, I have one piece of advise: Vote for McCain/Palin.

McCain/Palin 2008

And Al Gore invented the internet.

Say what? The Democrats have been wrong on Iraq throughout the war and they must be weary of having to admit it. So now what sort of muddled reasoning is this from Sen. Biden?

Frankly, I was shocked when I read what Biden said. Next, are they going to tell him to start making appearances without his pants? Who is advising him? I am a Republican and a McCain supporter and am actually embarrassed for Joe.

Even if it is behind closed doors, how can anyone interpret this other than the ticket is now terrified of losing and has nothing of substance to say? This follows on the heels of attributing “executive” experience to Obama via his being president of the Harvard Law Review. Did I hear someone say, “Silk purse out of a sow’s ear” or “Grasping at straws”? Or, is it “Gasping at straws”??

If the Democrat’s want to win, they better get back to the truth, or at least make their statements ones that aren’t so insulting to their constituency’s intelligence.

How demeaning for Obama, Biden and those who support them.

How is it that the Vice Presidential nominee does not know John McCain’s plan for Iraq and I do, as does HawkTheSlayer? I don’t think Joe Biden is stupid, therefore, he must be lying and thinks we are all stupid.

Then wen Iraq is divided we can divide the USA by placing democrat , republicans , independents in 3 different form of government. And don’t forget the insane whit straightjackets. Biden will be in this group.

bIDEN is so tired and delusional from loosing so many times for so many years…he now
can not see what is directly in front of him. He will change the name of something in order to give it a new definition, but its still the same old same old to the rest of us with eyes and ears!
It’s may be sad to see him go “Politically senile” to some, but better now than at a time when & where he might cause more harm…

I REALLY DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BIDEN. ALTHOUGH HE DID PUT HIS FAMILY TO WORK.

Joe Biden Said,

“We should stop arguing about whether or not the surge worked, and ask the question what do you do now? What do you do now, John? What’s the deal? The surge is over. It’s over…..”

You know, it seems to me the Obama campaign got their feathers a little ruffled when, to their surprise, the troop surge worked. And to no one’s surprise Obama and Biden both voted against the surge. And what gets me is that the Obama Camp. is just trying to sweep it under the rug and swing the topic any other way so they can hopefully divert people from seeing the that Obama was WRONG!!! Well imagine that. A man that has very little, if any experience at with the military makes the wrong decision when it comes to a war. And that is just what we want in our next Commander in Chief! Someone who has no clue what he is doing when it comes to the military! I am in the military, and I for one am voting for Sen. John McCain and one reason that I am voting for him is that in all reality, the Commander in Cheif decides my fate, and I trust John McCain because he knows whats going on in the military, he understands what its like to be in the military, and he can use the military to it fullest potential because he has a lifetime of training. He knows what the next step is, just as Mr. Biden is claiming. But the difference between Mr. Biden and Mr. McCain, is John McCain knew what step to take before it got to this point, which is a lot more than Biden or Obama can say!

Joe Biden has always been a good one for trying to take credit for other people’s ideas and work. Joe used parts of others (Kinnock, R. Kennedy) speeches in 1987 and used 5 pages of a Syracuse law review paper as his own in 1965. NBC national news broadcasts of mid September (17th or 18th) 1987 covered the above stories. Joe dropped out of the 1988 presidential race in September 1987. Dan Rather’s CBS September 17th or 18th broadcast covered his withdrawal speech. This year he dropped out due to lack of support. Obama has lost ground ever since Joe arrived. The Dems really messed up when they didn’t put Hillary on the ticket. But even Hillary’s popularity may not have been able to overcome Obama’s vacillation and promises.

As a middle income American and veteran, I would much rather have John McCain and Sarah Palin running this country, especially when it comes to the military and foreign policy.

Sorry, but good ole Joe Biden is once again taking credit for something he had nothing to do with. Plagiarizing is a flaw in his character that seems to have plagued him two other times in the past.
In addition to his lapses of memory, evidenced when years ago he could not remember that 76th out of 84 in his graduating class from law school was not considered “top half of the class”, as he recalled it to be.

Now, he’s taking credit for what he labeled, “The Biden Plan” several months ago. His claim is that it’s his plan to divide Iraq into three parts.

I direct your attention to an article quoting a Stratfor report dated 9/28/2002.

The article, “US plans to merge Iraq, Jordan after war”, by Aslam Khan (easily found on Google), clearly states that the author of this plan is Vice President Dick Cheney.

The split up of Iraq into 3 parts is explained in detail in the Stratfor report that is quoted throughout the article.

Now I’m wondering whether I should consider this a plagiarism, or a memory loss. What do you think?

Hey, Joe: Since Iraq has complied with your plan to divide itself into ethnic groups, this would be the perfect time for you & Obama to unveil your plan to divide the U.S. into similar regions.

Isn’t it interesting how Biden can turn his story around? We are ALREADY experiencing VICTORY in parts of Iraq. While all the media was busy beating up Palin, Anbar Province was handed over to the Iraqis. By the way, the ceremony there included a parade, where US troops were included WITHOUT helmets, guns and Kevlar.

Lot’s of backpeddling…..we WILL NOT support drilling - oh, yeah, we WILL support drilling; we DID NOT support the surge…..oops, we will say it worked, but we will not admit we were wrong; BUSH tax cuts have to go…..well, maybe we will leave the cuts in place for awhile.

I get STRAIGHT TALK from the other camp.

BTW - I am a SPORTS MOM and ARMY MOM too. I know who to trust with my family.

Biden can now be called a pathological liar in addition to Plagerist. It’s easy to claim in hindsight that the success in Iraq was due to some “plan” of his, but it’s not true.

Just like most of his Democrat cohorts, Biden takes credit for an event that he had nothing to do with, and was against from the beginning.

With a VP choice like Biden, the Dems are certain to lose and lose big, which is exactly what he deserves.

LISTEN TO:
Comment by HawkTheSlayer

B.O. takes ‘two hours’ and ‘37 advisers’ to ”’change”’ his socks. B.O. is a FRAUD

Oprah says Obama for president “Obama/Biden”, somewhere along those lines. I would feel badly to disagree with her; if you watch her or not. I love Oprah and am waiting to see what she will be sporting on the Obama inauguration speech!!! CHEESE!!!

Mr. Biden, if this is the way you speak publicly toward another professional; I don’t want your childish attitude to have any part in co-running my country.

Part of the reason there is the current amount of Unrest in the world, is people like these olbermann & matthews preaching, selling, spewing HATE day after day.
The world is a little better place with them gone.

McCain will just surge, surge and surge again. If the Iraqi’s don’t like puppet figures the U.S. places into figure, McCain will surge. McCain uses the word surge as if it is a can of Raid and the insurgents are the roaches. This is not a job for the Orkin man. The President has to be able to both disagree with different countries,ideas and cultures without destroying alliances that support the security and prosperity of America.

joe biden is a cretin

Mr Biden, everyone in America does NOT agree to publishing a timetable for the world to read. Then publicly following it during primetime news. The military needs to keep troop movements secret for our safety and the safety of the troops. Keep talking, idiot.

my dog is more intelligent than biden

my fingernail is more intelligent than joe biden

Nice remarks. Biden should just shut up when it comes to Iraq, I know firsthand - my son was there and they heard about Obama and alike proposing withdrowal, they thouight he and alike were stupid pieces of $%$#. And they are! And they will destroy everything we achieved in Iraq to get to power - don’t let it happen, people!

Biden’s Tripartite plan?? Right, and Al Gore invented the Internet.

Is this Biden agreeing that we have victory? Say it isn’t so. It is their way of stating that there is victory but then if they came right out and said it, they would have nothing to run on in Nov.
Just another way to flip flop there Democrats!

Same old (B)iden-(J)oe. Nothing new with the Obama-Biden ticket. Next thing you know he’ll ask, “When we finally win the war, what next?” “When you bring down the price of gas, what next, John?” “When you help us become energy independent, what then?” “When you finally shake the tree and see what falls out, when you stop all the wasteful spending in Washington, when you finally beat the Obama-Biden team, what next, John?”

Well, Mr. Biden, then we all live happily ever after!

It is great to know Joe, that you and Obama can deliver peace and stability and a growing democracy. Forgive me for being a bit concerned here, but Obama only recently visited Iraq for the first time. Why do I feel like you are making this up as you go. We all know what McCain thinks about the war. It looks like more people are backing him at http://www.boppoll.com. JB, you are going to have to do better than this.

Right, Joe. It is all you. You were for splitting Iraq into three separate countries a year ago when you stated that the surge wasn’t working. They must have put your hair plugs in with a nail gun.

The surge is only part of the reason that violence has been drastically reduced. One other part was that Al Sadr also told his militia to stand down at about the same time, and then the American military finally tried TE Lawrence’s recommendations and began working with people on a local level and buying the loyalty of the local leaders, just as Lawrence did during WW1. Unfortunately Maliki (a Shiite), who was supposed to incorporate these local Sunni militias into the Iraqi forces, is now hunting down the very leaders that the US has been paying off, and arresting them. This may well make the whole thing unravel.

Memories are long over there and they are willing to bide their time to settle old scores. Don’t look for anything like the sort of “victory” that McCain touts.

Biden needs to stop taking credit for something he had not part in. But thats what Obama is doing. He just follows McCain around and say oh yea I did that too. Liar!!!!!

By the way, Joe Biden’s recommendations for how to resolve the mess in Iraq have been right on the money and in accordance with the history of the place, and should come closer than just letting it go on, and on, and on…… Iraq was never a homogenous country, but put together from 3 left-over old Ottoman vilayets of Mosul (Kurds) Baghdad (Sunnis), and Basra, (Shiites). It has been artificially held together since created, after WW1. Besides, the present Iraqi constitution calls for a federalism system anyway.

As long as there’s a purposeful media machine there. Stay there, hang low, eyes wide open, and be available for consultation purposes.

Tripartite has nothing to do with the success of the surge or the evolution thereafter. Compare tripartite to conditions in the US.

Republicans have consistently proven their concern for security and stability in this region. Only now, Biden tries to say that McCain and Palin cast a shadow of uncertainty, as if Biden himself had provided the motivation for going to Iraq in the first place. This is the same kind of thing that Biden has been saying for decades. “That’s not change, it’s more of the same”. I can’t wait for old Joey to be held accountable for what comes from his mouth.

What Biden leaves out is that his plan resembled more of what is happening in the country of Georgia, as Russia attempts disect it to make it its own. Leaving