Clinton In Florida: Count The Votes!
BOCA RATON, Fla – Hillary Clinton returned to Florida for the first time since she declared victory there after the primary in January to argue that the results of that election should count – and the state’s delegates should be seated.
“The Democratic Party must count these votes,” she said to applause at the Century Village retirement community. “They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.”
Her argument centered on three basic points –Democrats’ commitment to counting every vote, the injustice of punishing voters who did nothing themselves to deserve it, and the political implications of snubbing two key swing states – and she repeatedly raised the specter of the 2000 recount to drive her point home.
Recalling a few of her party’s historic fights to ensure the right to vote for women and minorities, Clinton said “both Senator Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees, in fact we all have an obligation as Democrats, to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process, that every voice is heard and every vote is counted.”
Clinton suggested that Democratic voters were being penalized for the Republican legislature’s decision to move the primary up to January — triggering the DNC’s delegate action. “You didn’t break a single rule and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control,” she said.
And she argued that failing to seat the delegates in Michigan and Florida would critically impair Democrats’ chances in November. “If Democrats send a message that we don’t fully value your votes, we know that Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them,” she said. “The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument: why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic party to look out for you when they won’t even listen to you?”
Peppered throughout her speech was the “lesson of 2000,” which Clinton said is crystal clear. “If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people isn’t realized and our democracy is diminished,” she said.
“I remember very well back in 2000. There were those who argued that people’s votes should be discounted over technicalities,” she said. “For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much the same. The votes of 1.7m people should not be cast aside because of a technicality.”
“it’s not about the technicalities or about the contestants, it’s about the will of the people. And whenever you can understand their intent, it should govern. It’s very clear what 1.7 million people intended here in Florida.”
To those who say her fight would amount to changing the rules, she said “the rules clearly state that we can count all of these votes and seat all of these delegates, pledged and unpledged if we so choose. And the rules lay out a clear process for doing so.”
Clinton’s arguments become less meaningful with each passing day, as Obama moves closer to securing enough delegates to win nomination with or without Michigan and Florida. But the New York Senator belittled the delegate process itself in favor of the popular vote – a measure she says she’s winning.
“We carry on for a simple reason: we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people. Nothing more, nothing less,” she said. “We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today, just as we believed it back in 2000, when right here in Florida you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner.”
The DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee meets on May 31st to adjudicate the dispute. Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe says he believes the committee will come to a decision that day, and that after June 3rd superdelegates will chose sides so that the Party will have a nominee by the end of the month.
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How in the world did this rule ever come about? Was it power??? The DNC should already know that EVERY VOTE SHOULD COUNT! IF NOT, WE END UP WITH A PRESIDENT BUSH!!!!! Didn’t we learn our lesson????????????????????
She’s right, how can any Democrat argue with her? In fact, she didn’t advertise in Florida but Obama did with his commericals. Thank God I am not a Democrat, but if I was, then I would be very “PO’d” at my own party and I would think about switching over to voting Republican if the Democratic Party and Howard Dean did this to me.
All Democrats should be outraged at their own party right now.
Mississippi Democratic Party chairman Wayne Dowdy says he is committed to Sen. Barack Obama in the presidential race.
Dowdy is a superdelegate to the Democratic National Convention, and he had been holding off on deciding between Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Dowdy tells The Associated Press that he made his decision Wednesday after becoming convinced that Obama has enough support to secure the nomination. Dowdy says he hopes Clinton is chosen for vice president.
Mississippi has seven Democrat superdelegates.
Johnnie Patton of Jackson, Everett Sanders of Natchez and Congressman Bennie Thompson are committed to Obama.
Hillary has the only legitimate argument. Mr. Obama is only fanning the flames for his devisive followers. He will never be president of anything. Mr. Obama doesn’t value his party he knows we will not vote for him. Yet he still does all he can to devide us.
I will gladly vote for McCain in November. And yes, I know it will be Bush’s third term. And yes, I know he will appoint judges that will try to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Well, I don’t care. Since young women supported Obama, they shouldn’t mind going to Canada for their abortions. In the end, emotion always beats logic. Never forget that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Millions of women and blue collars will vote for McCain in November. Obama promised us unity, and instead he gave us a civil war. It’s not about the issues anymore - it’s personal. Welcome to identity politics. I will gladly vote for McCain in November. And yes, I know it will be Bush’s third term. In the end, emotion always beats logic.
Hillary is my candidate for President of the United States and if she is not the Democratic nominee then I will write her in on my ballot and I will email, call and blog to rally all the Hillary supporters to do the same!
Write in Hillary in 08
Amen to that! I don’t think the DNC realizes how women really feel about Obama. I will gladly and with pleasure pull the level for McCain since Obama has been rammed down our collective throats!
Anita,
Speak for yourself. This woman is voting Obama.
Did anyone see the rally in Tampa. I didn’t see any protesters. I hope someone went to Tampa to protest.I heard Hillary’s speech in Boca Raton it was amazing. I will write in Hillary’s name on my ballot if she’s not the nominee. She is a remarkable woman and she is fighting for what is right. All our votes in Florida have to be counted.
The math doesn’t add up. A constant theme circulated by pundits and papers arguing that Hillary should drop out and let Obama focus on the general election. I couldn’t agree more that the focus by all should be on the general election and before it’s too late. The problem is there are two math problems - the convoluted primary math problem made up of 48 states and caucuses (which arguably give a grossly disproportionate amount of delegates per actual votes)and the general election math problem which is far more logical and arguably the problem we all should zero in on - no caucuses, all 50 states (the latter is the math problem Hillary is working on and why she is in this race to the end). The superdelegates of the democratic party were given a responsibility - to fairly judge each candidate to determine who is most electable in the general election. To judge which candidate is most likely to win the electoral college. Key states for the general election are WV, KY, FL, PA, TX and OH. These states are essential for the democratic candidate to secure. We know who won these states yet the media has chosen to ignore this critical math. Another issue the media seems to discount are the millions of angry voters who feel disenfranchised to the point of switching parties. May 31st is a pivotal decision day for democrats and republicans - both parties will anxiously await to see how the delegates will be seated in Florida and Michigan. Over 2 million voters right now have been silenced and feel ignored. Maybe a moot point now, but this has impacted Hillarys momentum in the primary to a exponential degree. It was a huge disadvantage to her campaign to no be able to count these delegates from the beginning and build on this win. With a race so close (population vote neck and neck, with Hillary ahead), it is essential to count every vote. The point of a primary is to judge how the candidate performs to determine who is best equipped to win the general election - the fact is the DNC will not admit that punishing Florida and Michigan is only punishing themselves. Florida and Michigan have no incentive to vote for Obama because he has not shown any interest in hearing their voice. So let’s give those two to McCain. Now with obamas comments on clinging to guns and religion, he has handed Pennsylvania over to McCain. Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia were landslide victories for HRC where the demographic is more likely to swing towards McCain than Obama. Loyalists in New York, Arkansas and across the country will vote for McCain - stick out the 4 years - and then await Hillary to run in 2012. Southern states other than arkansas will vote republican. Add it up. How can Obama win this? It seems forcing Obama into the democratic nomination is only to make a statement now and deal with the consequences later - yes it says a black man can do anything, as the similar statement can be made of women if Hillary is the nominee. We need to get past the gender and race excitement and focus right now on the individual - their record, their character, their baggage, their agenda, their solutions, their electibility - and make the decision that can ultimately hand the white house back to the democratic party. As much as you hear McCain is 4 more years of Bush, the fact is he is far from Bush. He is a war hero and an established successful senator with a powerful record - appealing to republicans and independents. He has a plan to end the war by 2013 and he has a realistic approach to foreign policy - something Bush and Obama lack. Despite what pundits say on the cable news, Democrats are not guaranteed the white house just because America is exhausted by 8 years of Bush and desperate for change. The fact is all 3 candidates will be a change from the last 8 years - the question is which direction of change do we want to go - and judging by the general election math question - this question of direction will either go the way of Hillary or John McCain. It is up to the DNC on May 31st and the superdelegates on June 3rd to determine this path of change for the betterment of the democratic party and the future of this country.
It’s not just women, Anita! Many men also are disgusted with Obama. The DNC really made a mistake manipulating this process. I too, would vote McCain before I’d vote for the radical Obama.
savagepolitics.com has a great community for people who feel this way.
Count me in to vote for McCain if obama is nominee ,
I don’t give a chit about roe vs wade , I don’t give a chit about
any of the Dems taqlking points to “pacify ” me
I will campaign , donate and support McCain
So take that to the bank obama supporters
belle, if you feel like the DNC is at fault, why are you so disgusted with Obama?
I too will vote McCain if Obama is nominee
Its not about race, its about Anti-American and sexism
There are 50 states not 48. The democratic nominee will not be legitimate unless the votes of all 50 states are counted.
Clinton supporters offered a plan to pay for a re-vote in Fl and MI but Obama’s campaign refused. What is he afraid of other than losing in these two critical states?
How can voters in America who went to the polls and voted in the closest primary election in 40 years have their votes disregarded? These votes were certified by the FL and MI Board of Elections – they are legitimate votes.
So either we re-vote or we count the votes already cast. Otherwise, there is no official, legitimate nominee. Period.
Anybody that thinks an election where your rival is left off the ballot is fair, is a lunatic.
Go ahead and count florida, it’s not fair because the “new guy” wasn’t given a chance to campaign there, but at least he was on the ballot.
Any hillary supporter that would pick McCain over Obama is just a bitter idiot.
Hillary Clinton is right. Whay I should be loyal to a party,if for that party,my vote is not worted. This should be considered by all Floridians,because I consider this as insult and disrespect of my constitutional right. With no any remorse,whatsoever I will vote for a party, I never vote for,but that party will appreciate my vote and will thank me for it.The third Bush,is just to scare the people of. You think,he is stupid? he didn’t reach 71 years for nothing. He will do everything in 4 years to have a positive place in the History of his presidency.Forget about Bush legacy, he will create his own. So,dear Democratic party,DNC, this is for your “fairness” treatment,may Floridians like me,will vote for McCain or stay home. Good luck Obama. Please convey, this message to all of the ” sure” commentators to stop talking in our name,that we will vote for Obama,not a chance.
I have no respect for Democrat Party and none for Super Delegates
They were put there to overturn teh peoples vote if necessary
That tells me that no matter who we vote for we are threatened by “super delegates” to get it right or else !
What kind of democracy is that ? Sounds more like obamas Kenya politics
The supers were selected by the elite of Dem party and they will vote as told
or how they promised
They even think 2 teenagers ( to young to vote at the time ) were smarter than the regular American Voters. Sure says a lot for what they think of us !
Obama does understand that we as would united begin him for the simple reason that what he says about sitting and talking to the president of iran would make us safe, he can not sit down and talk to a crazy person, obama has to be crazy him self, if he think,s that himself, has he forgotten 9.11 already? We as mother,s would rather choose a republican that want,s and understand that we need to keep this country safe, I will vote Hillary, if Hillary is not elected than I will vote McCain but never obama!!!
Bella.
I just got back from Tampa.
It was lame.
There were lots of empty seats. They crowdwe the people to one side.
I was outside with the protesters.
I would estimate 5,000 of the 20,000 seats were filed.
There was a PA system and a big TV set up outside. only a spattering of people were watching it, mostly security. Security was everywhere.
I took photos of the protest. The group I was in at the front of the stadium were about 35 people.
They wouldn’t let us too close to the stadium. We were across the street.
I heard a mixture off cheers and jeers from inside the stadium. I got there early. It didn’t look like a crowd the size they are claiming to me. I say there was maybe 5,000. Not 15, 000 I just heard reported.
He didn’t mention the Florida votes.
I saw lots of people coming out while he was still talking.
Hillary was in Miami.
I just saw the local news. They said thousands showed up for her there.
such a looser…screaming at top of her lungs….go home and sleep tight grand ma
typo “Crowded”.
Hillary Clinton needs a reality check. How can you state that Florida and Michigan would not be a factor when you thought you were going to be given the nod in the early primaries. Now all of the sudden you so desperately needs them when you are behind. If this the type of President that voters are looking for then god help us all! If she is trying to cheat the system to get into the White House imagine what she would do if she gets in.
This Democrat will gladly vote McCain! The party has abandoned it’s base and told democracy to take a hike! Moveon.org has chosen the candidate and all you Obamabots can have him and the party, I’m out!
Democrats unite and do a “no confidence” vote for your Democratic Party because your own DNC considers you guys and gals stupid by not allowing Michigan and Florida to count! Your own DNC is pulling the same party politics as East Germany and Romania did during the cold was by note counting your votes!
Exercise your right to vote and cast your vote for McCain in this election and you will be assured that the DNC will not allow this to happen to you in the next election after this election.
The only way to put a stop to backdoor politics in the DNC is to vote for McCain! Democrats, you must unite and vote for McCain in this election. McCain is going to win anyway, so all you are doing is making a bold statement to your own party! Good luck to you all of you Democrats as I look forward to your vote. Remember, your own Party is calling you stupid!!!!! Don’t tolerate this monkey business!!!
Bella.
If they show the crowd, watch how many are not applauding.
That was the ones inside who were there to hear if the votes were going to be counted. They listened only.
I spoke with some of them before they went in.
There is a petition that has been signed with 25, 000 signatures I saw going around.
Both Obama and Clinton supporters were signing it to count our votes.
I will NEVER vote for B.O. !
After 49 years i have changed my party !
Even if Dems do realize their “mistake” , I will never come back
Donna Brazille told you they didn’t need us and I take her at her word.
I will vote REPUBLICAQN on DOWN TICKET
Go Hilary!
For if Obama gets in we will all jump the wall into the republican pit of hell.
Very well said, hopefully the votes will be seated which will allow me to stay with the democratic party. Otherwise, I will see it as principal and be inclined to leave my party of choice for twenty years. I will either become an Independant or a Republican.
DEMOCRATS FOR McCAIN,,,,,, TIME TO UNITE,, THE DNC HAVE ROBBED US, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE FAR-LEFT RADICALS, THE WE DONT LIKE AMERICA PARTY, NO THANKS ,I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING REPUBLICAN……
Make Iran Glow.
I will have no problem voting McCain.
I can go a four year stretch without the kick in the teeth from the DNC.
Comment by bryan
May 21st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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That was a fantastic, well written post you put up here bryan. Very well thought out. Hats off to you bryan!
It has never been more clear than it is today, that in the democratic party, the popular vote DOES NOT COUNT. After hundreds of millions of dollars and millions of votes, the nominee for our party is going to be decided by the ellitest “super-delegates”. The voice of the people means nothing to the democratic party. I for one am sick of this injustice and I will be voting as a republican in the future. At least my voice will be heard.
Mike G. (TN)
So this is where all the Obama-hater democrats go to be heard…
Comment by Jo Anne
May 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Bella.
If they show the crowd, watch how many are not applauding.
That was the ones inside who were there to hear if the votes were going to be counted. They listened only.
I spoke with some of them before they went in.
There is a petition that has been signed with 25, 000 signatures I saw going around.
Both Obama and Clinton supporters were signing it to count our votes.
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I watched it on TV…and I noticed there were alot of people not cheering or clapping…and he looked stressed..He doesn’t draw the crowds he used to..and Hillary’s speach today was great!! You should hear the pundits, trying to figure out what she wants..I think it is so funny…they think they know sooo much….So was you local news there?
Comment by Bill
May 21st, 2008
ooops looks like I copied tooo much..
“So this is where all the Obama-hater democrats go to be heard…”
Comment by Jennifer
You mean Republican Propagandist Tools, right?
Democrats are not going to vote for McSame, please.
Tools saying so doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. It’s just wishful thinking on the part of the propagandists.
it is very simple, if hill isn’t our dem. nominee, i’ll vote mccain!
Yes, it is simple. I dont hate Obama, but I am sure I dont want him running this country. I will vote McCain if necessary too….
Donna Brazile sent a nasty return e-mail to a 18 yr old girl, who asked her about mi and fl. said Hillary supporters are vile and repugnant. I hope the democratic party is destroyed by their own corrupt making.
“Jo Anne” - the truth is, McCain is much, much, much more conservative than Bush and Bush’s old man could ever imagine to be.
I look forward to having McCain as the President. He’s a hawk and he’s a clear, sharp thinker, a patriot, he loves America, his kids are in the military, and he has a pretty wife who is also sharp, humble and intelligent and would make a great first lady.
McCain has always been for lowering taxes as long as spending is cut as well, a strong military, he helped put great judges on the bench, and he is a big time 2nd Amendment rights protector.
Two thumbs up for John McCain and it will be a honor to allow him to serve our country as President.
American Woman.
It was lame.
I expected his supporters to be all hyped up.
It was a very subdued crowd.
The age group was mostly 17 to 30.
There were older people there, but mostly to hear if he would apologize, say it was wrong, anything, but that didn’t happen.
People didn’t stay long. He was still speaking when the crowd started leaving.
The media did take a couple pictures of the protesters, but mostly ignored us.
Cars were honking as they passed us. People were waving and cheering out the windows.
I will be voting for McCain if Hillary is not on the ballot for President. This true life long democratic of 48 years will gladly switch parties to enusre that the Fraud Obama does not become a President because he is more of a danger then any republican.
Paul ,
Now all of the sudden you so desperately needs them when you are behind. If this the type of President that voters are looking for then god help us all! If she is trying to cheat the system to get into the White House imagine what she would do if she gets in.
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What her wanting all votes counted? isn’t that what we do in Nov? should we skip your state? How would you feel? Superdelegates are a joke! the DNC set this up for Obama from the get go, I have watch and been disgusted. Why did they give NC 18 more extra delegates? and IN only 8? was it because they knew Obama would take NC> think about it why not split the “extra” delegates?
When did it become the DNC job to decided our nominee? when did this happen? what is American about that? why not wait till all states vote? Afraid their Obama “true” faults would show?
Would Hillary Clinton be making the same argument about the Florida Voters if Obama had won the primary? Did anyone try to stop the Unauthorized Primary before it happened? How many of the Florida Voters were even aware that their vote would not count? How many Floridians turned out on the ‘regularly scheduled ‘ primary date wondering where the voting booths were. How many Florida voters truly believe that they are voting for Bill Clinton? Hillary is not going to save the country. Dealing with her husband’s affair is not proof that she is a woman of substance. Wake up Florida .. The economy is in bad shape .. ‘A Clinton in the White House’ ..is not the same as a ‘Chicken in Every Pot’ ..(and I’m sure you all remember how disastrous that promise was)
I would love for her to take it all the way to the floor to get these votes counted. I personally wish that she would fight for the nomination all the way and do everything she can to get the nomination. I just hope she does not take a VP slot. I don’t want to better Obama’s chances of winning. I can not help it but I just no longer like Obama. I consider him Sexist, Racist…. Well, that is as mean as I will get, he does have some good policies but McCain has a few good ones of his own. Hillary or McCain will work better with the opposing parties to get things done. I will vote for McCain if I have to but I would love to support Hillary and I have not given up hope!
Jo Anne,
I watched but didn’t see you I did notice how they kept tight on OB guess to make it look like a lot more people came.
for jacob
a bitter idiot-I think not! any man that would sit and listen to a hate-filled lunitic ‘preacher’ for more then twenty years spewing racisim and hate for america will NEVER get my vote-WAKE UP JACOB!
Make Iran Glow.
I trust McCain to keep our country safe.
The gas prices have to be worked on.
I would like to hear one candidate say let’s build a new refinery. We have the clean and safe technology.
I want to hear, “let’s tap a few new wells!
Sweden and Denmark are using American technology. So is a lot of countries.
The only ones not using our enviro safe technology is us!
ApostasyUSA “sweetie”
I think you “Hope ” we will “Change” our minds
Hillary or McCain ‘08
The media’s “good ‘ole boys” showing their sexist remarks again by saying “the women will get over it…the women will come around to our way of thinking….the women will come together with us and vote for Obama in November”. Well, they can take their SEXIST remarks and stick them in the drawer…it’s Not working for This Hillary supporter. If Obama is the nominee, I will be voting for McCain…at least I know he Loves America and her People.
Peggy ,
BO would. What is your point? I would even if it was in favor of Anti American BO. it is our right! our duty! and they took them away the DNC nor the government can take our right to vote and have it counted away no matter how much you dislike it
Comment by ChesapeakeDiva
May 21st, 2008 at 5:06 pm
belle, if you feel like the DNC is at fault, why are you so disgusted with Obama?
Why does Obama disgust me? He’s a typical corrupt politician and pretends not to be, for starters. There are oh so many reasons I fear an Obama presidency. Too many to list here.
I blame the DNC for annointing him and shoving him down our throats.
Luckily, I’m an independent. I won’t be “turning my back” on ANY party when I vote for McCain if Obama manages to not let his dirty laundry out before the convention and gains the nomination.
Jo Anne - You are right on point girl!
Jo Anne ,
The “dems” after years of republicans trying to get oil pumping open in our country have taken the republican bill added a couple things to get credit and now trying to pass it through,lmao what a joke they should of done this last year! saved us hard working people our money. Now they will do this to gain the white house. After which BO has stated for his world poverty bill he will put more tax on gas,lmao so what will we really save? a scam!
Just stop.
The crowd just wasn’t there.
Some showed up, but not anywhere near the numbers they estimated.
It looked like more staff and security, than voters.
It was more like a HS graduation crowd. Not a rally crowd.
If you see any footage, check out who is not applauding. The adults were there to listen only. They did not cheer him.
Good evening everyone.
McCain 08!
I’m watching to see which Superdelegates do What…. The Honest ones will be endorsing Hillary as it’s Obvious she’s the strongest and more experienced. The Supers with No Backbone will “follow” and endorse Obama. Time to see what our Superdelegates are Really all about. They have GOT to know that Obama will Not win for the democrats in November.
I think you “Hope ” we will “Change” our minds
Comment by Bill
No….I don’t think you have a mind of your own….you like so many other posties…are really just Republican propagandist tools hoping to fan the flames of dissent within the DNC.
Any real Democrats KNOW that this all just part of the process. The GOP doesn’t even have a process like this. It’s winner take all.
The Dems system is FAR MORE fair to the people.
Obama also tried to steal he glory last night with his hour long speech to deflect her historical big win, What an Arrogant person. He also referred to her as a “public Servant” today on CBS, instead of referring to her as the New York Senator. If she is a Public Servant what is he, a public Servant with no experience? Arrogant to say the least. If the votes are not counted appropriately and the will of the people “Popular vote” are not heard, I am out of this party, I am 44 years old and have been in the Dem party since I was 20 yrs. old.
Hillary or McCain!
Jo Anne … I DID “watch” the crowd. There were ALOT Not applauding…nor Smiling, I might add.
May 6 2008
This morning on MSNBC, magician Penn Jillette repeated an admittedly “cheesy” joke that performed really well on a recent tour — that Barack Obama did well in February because it was Black History Month and Hillary Clinton did well in March because it was “white *itch” month.
nothing new here..
Obama also tried to steal her glory last night with his hour long speech to deflect her historical big win, What an Arrogant person. He also referred to her as a “public Servant” today on CBS, instead of referring to her as the New York Senator. If she is a Public Servant what is he, a public Servant with no experience? Arrogant to say the least. If the votes are not counted appropriately and the will of the people “Popular vote” are not heard, I am out of this party, I am 44 years old and have been in the Dem party since I was 20 yrs. old.
Hillary or McCain!
Hillary is a tough one She is hanging on like there is no tomorrow. She would make a good anchorman on a tug-o-war team. The rest of the team could fall, be dragged through the mud pit, and she would still be clinging to the rope while it is being rolled up, and put into the truck. I don`t think she can possibly go any further, but you have to give her credit for her effort.
The DNC and senior democratic leaders are banking on the fact that the Hillary voters will come over to Barack by either adding Hillary to his ticket or by the mere fact that you Clinton supporters will not vote for McCain. I think it’s a dangerous strategy as McCain is middle of the road and proven to work with both sides of the aisle.
Jenna ,
BO was trying to win Hillary supporters over,lmoa first we don’t matter heck even his camp said they don’t need white middle class to win,k go right on ahead without me!
Comment by Jenna
May 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Obama also tried to steal he glory last night with his hour long speech to deflect her historical big win, What an Arrogant person. He also referred to her as a “public Servant” today on CBS, instead of referring to her as the New York Senator. If she is a Public Servant what is he, a public Servant with no experience? Arrogant to say the least. If the votes are not counted appropriately and the will of the people “Popular vote” are not heard, I am out of this party, I am 44 years old and have been in the Dem party since I was 20 yrs. old.
Hillary or McCain!
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Why don’t you just join the Rebulican party permenatly. We have values!!
Last night, the media kept saying what a good job OB did when speaking about Hillary. Well, I did not see it that way at all. He is becoming more and more SEXIST to me. We should not critize Bill Clinton for his remarks and then turn around a few weeks later and say that his wife’s remarks should not be critized. I think there should be more uproar about him dismissing hillary too soon, Actually, I would LOVE all the superdelegates to do an about face and go switch back to her. That would put egg on alot of people’s faces…mainly some of the media that have helped him to get this far.
Peggy.
Do you think publicly elected officials should suggest or agree to stripping American’s votes?
Do you have any idea where that practice can, and most assuredly will lead?
Delegates is one thing. Votes cast by “any” American is not theirs to strip.
We will see how well it is received in November.
I thought they would apologize today!
They just showed us more of the same snub!
It was a useless trip to Florida for the DNC. Nothing “CHANGED” !
It was lame!
Jo Anne,
Maybe he should have done it right after a free concert like he did in Oregon. Woulda gotten more people in those seats…
Oregon Obama rally a hoax, 1000s went there because of the band. It’s called the Decemberists.
It’s popular in the Pacific Northwest. The band is named for the Russian Communist Revolution.
They play the Russian National Anthem before most of their concerts.
Once again, I’ve said it before. Todays liberal Democrats are COMMIES. More proof.
Or maybe you will join us permenently!!
Comment by ApostasyUSA
May 21st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I think you “Hope ” we will “Change” our minds
Comment by Bill
No….I don’t think you have a mind of your own….you like so many other posties…are really just Republican propagandist tools hoping to fan the flames of dissent within the DNC.
Any real Democrats KNOW that this all just part of the process. The GOP doesn’t even have a process like this. It’s winner take all.
The Dems system is FAR MORE fair to the people.
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I can see your point especially considering the DNC and your presumed nominee have all said the voters in FL and MI should not count. LOL
Obama is not competent or qualified to serve as President and will be unable to protect and serve the best interests, safety, and welfare of our country and “ALL” of its citizens.
Hilary Clinton is competent and is qualified to do so.
Unlike Obama’s wife Michelle Obama, I have always been proud of my country.
God Bless American and God Bless our Troops!
NOTE TO HILARY CLINTON: “You Go Girl. God Bless you for hanging in there for all of us! Your message is getting out there!”
Dear Dusted:
I will if necessary and so will many others, take care and good luck! you will need it!
Jenna
Any real Democrats KNOW that this all just part of the process. The GOP doesn’t even have a process like this. It’s winner take all.
The Dems system is FAR MORE fair to the people.
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When did this “superdelegates” start DNC saying no need to vote we have a nominee become part of it? where are they fair?
By not counting votes?
By telling supers to get behind BO?
By telling people we need to end this?
By telling Hillary to get out?
By unfairly accusing Hillary of dividing party?
By attacking Hillary if she responded to digs by BO?
By pushing a candidate that went to an anti American church for over 20 yrs?
By pushing BO who has terror ties?
By allowing BO to continue after repeated racial remarks?
By adding “extra” delegates to states they thought BO would win?
And I could go on
Please enlighten me since you seem to know so much.
Oregon Obama rally a hoax
Comment by Jeff X
A hoax?
Pleaze…..75,000 people never found themselves listening to one man in a park in Oregon, and that man never saw 75,000 people listerning to him.
No HOAX, it’s a movement…..
BTW, I’m a proud “LIBERAL”…it’s a new era for liberals….and kick some a-ss as well as talk philosophy…
Can anyone here actually explain the basic difference between a democrat and a republican? And…I’m Not talking Far Left Liberal nor Far Right Conservative. I talking just Basic moderate democrat and moderate republican because from what I’ve been reading in these posts, sounds like we all “basically” are looking for the same things in life.
Comment by Jeff X
May 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Oregon Obama rally a hoax, 1000s went there because of the band. It’s called the Decemberists.
It’s popular in the Pacific Northwest. The band is named for the Russian Communist Revolution.
They play the Russian National Anthem before most of their concerts.
Once again, I’ve said it before. Todays liberal Democrats are COMMIES. More proof.
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I totally agree, they are getting more and more left as time goes on. It won’t be long until were a socialist nation especially with Obama as president. With welfare programs and all, it scary.
Just stop
A very simple response to your innuendo and propaganda:
This is the age of information…..innuendo and propaganda are no longer useful psy-ops tools