This is great news!!! First of all, McCain’s relationship with Hagee is nowhere comparable to Obama’s relationship with Wright. That being said, Hagee didn’t mean to hurt feelings and was man enough to ask for forgiveness of those he offended. The offended party accepted his apology. Case closed.

Jeremiah Wright on the otherhand not only relishes the fact that he has offended the people he hates, he made three national appearances where he reinforced and even strengthened his awful positions.

I’ve been saying all along that McCain has very little to attack. Democrats are going to be stuck with debating issues and they are going to lose badly.

I dont see why McCain doesnt have to

denounce
reject
condemn
repudiate

the statements like obama did.

DOUBLE STANDARD

McCain doesn’t have to apologize for every supporter who “says the wrong thing”. This is not the same thing as “the Obama’s pastor thing”. Hagee is not McCain’s pastor.

I WOULD BET TO DIFFER. McCain went to Texas and sought after the endorsement of Hagee. Hagee is the second coming of Christ for some folks down in Texas and throughout the country and McCain knew the influence of such a person to try and get the evangelical votes. Now that his goose has some bad eggs he should have to come forth and denounce and reject and disagree and re-disagree with them…

Someone wrote…
“I dont see why McCain doesnt have to
denounce
reject
condemn
repudiate
the statements like obama did.”

The reason McCain doesn’t is because Hagee endorsed McCain, but McCain doesn’t endorse Hagee.
McCain had NEVER been to Hagee’s church, and he hasn’t given any support to Haggee and considers him more of just an acquaintence.

Obama, on the other hand, has had a close relationship with Wright and attended Wright’s church for 20+ years. Obama donated over $25,000 to Wright’s church, so he obviously supports Wright’s ministry. Wright married Obama and baptised his children. Obama took the name of his Grammy award winning book on tape from one of Wright’s sermons and the theme(hope/change) to Obama’s campaign was taken from his book, therefore, Obama’s campaign theme is related to related to Wright. Also, Obama said on national TV that he considered Wright to be like family. Wright won’t shut up and continues to rub Obama’s face in it. All of this is much, much more serious and damaging than a just knowing some guy that you don’t support or attend his church.

John McCain doesn’t come across as a person of a church going nature. However, meeting one of his fellow POW’s, you get the idea that he understands the presence of a higher being. Read the book. This is a campaign. We should look at what a person has done in the past and the people they consider “close” friends as a consideration for a vote. From a good Catholic, go get em’ Macky!

Regarding “Stop the Madnass” comment”

Why didn’t Barak just flat out say it was wrong? What is it so difficult for an elitest to speak in clear words. If you think the words of “Pastor” Wright are wrong why not say it that way, or are you all to smart for us normal people. “Pastor” Wrights words are pathetic and similar of the words of the same kind of person formerly residing in Sandpoint in Northern Idaho. Yes, I believe we should stop the madness, so shut it! and the madness will stop.

Comment by Omentum
May 13th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I dont see why McCain doesnt have to

denounce
reject
condemn
repudiate

the statements like obama did.

DOUBLE STANDARD

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McCain did, he called Hagee’s controversial theological formulations “Non-sense”…You haven’t been paying attention.
The best part..Hagee apologised to the Catholic League and the apology was accepted.

Now all we need is Wright to apologise to the government, rich white people, white oppressors, Israel, South Africa, Italians….it’s quite a list.

Comment by Omentum
May 13th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I dont see why McCain doesnt have to

denounce
reject
condemn
repudiate

the statements like obama did.

DOUBLE STANDARD

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Wright should also apologise to the families of the victims of 9/11….that’s quite a list of apologies Uncle Jeremiah needs to address.

Comment by Louise
May 13th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
McCain doesn’t have to apologize for every supporter who “says the wrong thing”. This is not the same thing as “the Obama’s pastor thing”. Hagee is not McCain’s pastor.

Nice try, but dihard Catholics are not buying it. Spin however you want but it will come back and bite McCain in his azz. He has already lost a significant amount of the Catholic votes. He can kiss Pennsylivania and Ohio goodby.

Hagee comments don’t come close to Rev. Wrights comments. And like it was said before, Hagee is not McCain pastor. I also think the Hagee comments were blown way out of control. Some of the accusations were plain rediculous. Hagee overall (from what I’ve seen) is a very good man.

Atta boy John, John Hagee I mean. I happen to agree with your remarks about the Catholics, no need to apologize for them.

“Nice try, but dihard Catholics are not buying it. Spin however you want but it will come back and bite McCain in his azz. He has already lost a significant amount of the Catholic votes. He can kiss Pennsylivania and Ohio goodby.”

Seriously? Who is going to bring this up, Obama? You can’t compare an endorsement from a controversial pastor to 20 years of attending the church of a racist, anti-American African seperatist. Do your really think that Midwest gun-hugging, Mexican-hating, bitter yokels are going to turn to Obama over McCain? Obama supporters are in for a big let-down if they think their liberal savior is going to live up to their expectations.

Obama supporters have nothing credible to say on this. They lost any standing they may have had with Wright.

“Reverend” Hagee is living proof that any yahoo or snake oil salesman can go to a Barnes and Noble, buy a bible and call himself a preacher. I suggest Hagee goes back to what televangelists do best–bilk people out of their hard earned money.

I hope that someone Brings Hagee`s name up at least once a week during the general election. Then Wrights name will get tossed back out there, and Obama`s numbers will plummet, and his head will hang low from shame. Obamabots, be sure to bring it up every chance you get.

On this blog, after the race/gender issue of the Democratic Primary, it seems religion comes in a close second. Since this is a Christian country, most of the religious posts are regarding Christianity.
Considering 90% of the people in this blog seem to be Democrats, I find this particularly amusing.
Since anyone with half a brain, and any logical thought processes knows you CAN’T be a Christian AND a Democrat. Just look at the DEM party platform. I doubt seriously anyone would argue that the platform is compatible with Christianity. While there are many reasons, we ALL know the #1 reason why!

Hagee/McSame is ten times worse than Wright/Obama. McSame sought after Hagee’s endorsement. Obama was simply a parishioner of a church whose pastor has recently gone crazy. Twenty years ago Wright was not the raving fool he is today. McSame knew exactly what kind of lunatic Hagee IS when he went after his nod. No comparison. One big difference: Media coverage. Wright gets three months of coverage; Hagee gets three days worth. Yeah, “liberal media,” sure.

Comment by Chuk
May 14th, 2008 at 7:52 am

Hagee/McSame is ten times worse than Wright/Obama. McSame sought after Hagee’s endorsement. Obama was simply a parishioner of a church whose pastor has recently gone crazy. Twenty years ago Wright was not the raving fool he is today. McSame knew exactly what kind of lunatic Hagee IS when he went after his nod. No comparison. One big difference: Media coverage. Wright gets three months of coverage; Hagee gets three days worth. Yeah, “liberal media,” sure.
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Say Chuk, if Obama was simply a parishioner whose pastor “recently” went nuts, why are the clips of Wright of him more than a year or two old, and why would Obama make him his “spiritual mentor” in his campaign?

We are all human and when we do wrong we apologize. Hagee was wrong, he apologized, McCain didn’t agree, he said so. Wright was wrong, he is proud of it. Obama agreed and then denounced it after his ratings went down. This is not a political comment either way. This just shows the character of people when they do wrong and how each one dealt with it. Whoever becomes President will do wrong somehow again, how do you want the man to handle it? I would choice honesty and asking for forgiveness.
By the way another big difference is WRIGHT keeps on yelling and ranting after being retired. Hagee is asking for forgiveness. And I am a democrat. but I am not blind or stupid to the obvious man with more character, Haggee and McCain.

I can’t believe most of you are letting this man get by so easily. WOW. He said this on multiple occasions, not only that but said Outrageous things about Katrina. I cant even say anymore because no matter what I say you will still let me loose very easily. If the tables was turned around, oh my…just think about it to yourself and look in the mirror.

* let him loose or off the hook easily (typo)

You know what ask yourself this question, what if Obama sought our Farrakans endorsement? They are both extremes.

Took Obama 20 years to pretend to denounce Wright.
McCain did not seek Hagee’s endorsement any more than Obama did Hamas

Comment by xantiphi,

McCain did not seek Hagee’s endorsement any more than Obama did Hamas

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What is this nonsense about? I wonder where you people get this from. just show your true faces and who you really are and what you really believe. How in the world can you even make that comparison and secondly what are you talking about?

To the idiot Mike that responded, that doesn’t know what is going on in the world,
What planet are you from that you don’t know about Hamas endorseing Obama.
All the terrorist love Obama.
Obama also still goes to Trinity Church he still believes the crazy stuff they teach the current preacher there is no different tha Rev. Wright.

April 16, 2008
Hamas Endorses Obama

On Sunday, Aaron Klein and John Batchelor interviewed Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas, on WABC radio. The interview produced a scoop which, for some reason, has not been widely publicized: Hamas has endorsed Barack Obama for President. Yousef said, “We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election.” Why? “He has a vision to change America.” Maybe Yousef has some insight into what Obama means by all these vague references to “change.”

Of course, Hamas’s taste in American presidents is suspect. Yousef also described Jimmy Carter, who was about to pay a call on Hamas when the interview was taped, as “this noble man” who “did an excellent job as President.”

Comment by xantiphi,

McCain did not seek Hagee’s endorsement any more than Obama did Hamas
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This was you statement Idiot…Now you show me where Obama went out, put him on his website and sought out his endoresment like McCains did with Hagee. Come on…look at what you are using against this man. The trinity Church has done so much more than what the clips show of Rev. Wright. I am done with this nonsense. Have a good day. People like you will never look beyond the media. You most likely sit down to watch hannity and the rest of the crew. Also, I know a lot more of the rest of the world than you my friend. My parents migrated to America in 1993, I lived and been to 10 countries outside of USA. You really are a waste of time and space. Have a good day.

The only reason some of you are not offended is because Hagee didn’t reference your race or your religion.

Mike you are so ignorant your are not worth a wasting time on
adios

For some reason Fox is reluctant to print my replies. Should I be suspicious? Hagee needs to repent for his sins. He needs many lessons~in humanity,religion,tolerance,history and the difference between a truth and a lie. Using the statement he was fighting bigotry by using bigotry is so inane that we must question his judgement = sorry is weak. As a Catholic his hate speech does nothing to negate my faith and politically he is also a negative. He owes so many apologies he will be hoarse~Katrina victims,homosexuals,non”nuclear”familes,Muslims…And his own congregation.As he claims to be a man of God, I would expect God has a few question for the Pastor reguarding his intollerance of the other human beings God created~I know that is what I learned LONG ago as a Catholic~LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU>The Pastor needs alot of prayers y’all!!

First of all, Hagee denouncing the Catholic church which has been around for 1800 years longer than his cult-like movement of tongue-speaking, prosperity preaching Charismatics. - Hagee’s teachings are not based on biblical principles, and he was divorced once. - In Matthew, Christ fround upon divorce and the Catholics have the lower divorce rate compated to Charismatics. - Most of Hagee’s followers don’t read the bible, are uneducated, and for the most part don’t know what it means to walk in love, humility, and not to judge others. Just look at Hagee, who is a hypocrite!!!!!!!

MCCAIN’S NEW SPEECH ENDORSE YOUR LOCAL FALSE PROSPHET!!!!!!!!

Ron~Many years ago a man in a religion similar to Hagee told me my grandmother wouldn’t go to heaven because she played bingo and that was gambling. He lived a henious and destructive life then”found”God. Yet God was never missing!!

don’t you think what he said was mild beside what Wright said? How can anyone even compair them…

We need to dump McCain! completely unworthy! Draft anyone else! Ron Paul would be great but take anyone over McCain.

New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?

Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
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Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

Comment by funny
May 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am The only reason some of you are not offended is because Hagee didn’t reference your race or your religion.

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Actually Hagee’s theological musings addressed Catholicism directly (did you even read the headline of this article?), last time I checked Catholicism was a Christian denomination. His formulations are kooky and he apologised, and the apology was accepted.

I can’t see Wright doing the same to Israel, South Africa, white people, the government..etc. He makes too much money from race baiting to cut off that cash cow.

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
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Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

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Your deflection wasn’t very effective. Hamas’ representative stated clearly, he hopes the new administration will change “policies” with Israel and that they hope Obama leads that administration.

Now do Hamas have a say (as you offered as a diversion) in this election?..NO. Does Hamas seeing Obama in a favourable light have an impact on voters’ perceptions of Obama..YES IT DOES. Why is this lost on you?

Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
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Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your deflection wasn’t very effective. Hamas’ representative stated clearly, he hopes the new administration will change “policies” with Israel and that they hope Obama leads that administration.

Now do Hamas have a say (as you offered as a diversion) in this election?..NO. Does Hamas seeing Obama in a favourable light have an impact on voters’ perceptions of Obama..YES IT DOES. Why is this lost on you?
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Not lose on me - you said the spokesman “HOPES” - Obama has clearly stated the US postion on Israel will not change - Why is this lost on you?

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
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Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your deflection wasn’t very effective. Hamas’ representative stated clearly, he hopes the new administration will change “policies” with Israel and that they hope Obama leads that administration.

Now do Hamas have a say (as you offered as a diversion) in this election?..NO. Does Hamas seeing Obama in a favourable light have an impact on voters’ perceptions of Obama..YES IT DOES. Why is this lost on you?
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Not lose on me - you said the spokesman “HOPES” - Obama has clearly stated the US postion on Israel will not change - Why is this lost on you?

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I’m glad you brought Obama’s offering up because you neglected to offer how he finished it.

He said he wouldn’t cooperate with Israel if he determines their officials haven’t behaved in a manner he deems appropriate.

Was that lost on you also?

Obama is endorsed by Hamas…..nuf said

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
___________________________________________________________________________

Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your deflection wasn’t very effective. Hamas’ representative stated clearly, he hopes the new administration will change “policies” with Israel and that they hope Obama leads that administration.

Now do Hamas have a say (as you offered as a diversion) in this election?..NO. Does Hamas seeing Obama in a favourable light have an impact on voters’ perceptions of Obama..YES IT DOES. Why is this lost on you?
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Not lose on me - you said the spokesman “HOPES” - Obama has clearly stated the US postion on Israel will not change - Why is this lost on you?

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Whatever the case however….you as an Obama supporter have to deal with the fact that a terrorist organisation sees Obama as an advantage to them. DEAL WITH IT!

It is interesting that the Religious RIGHT and the Religious LEFT claim to be followers of the same Christian Theology. The behavior of both these groups gives Christianity a bad name. This is why we need to keep “religion” out of Politics.

We should learn a lesson from all the “religious” stuff. When a religious personage tries to influence our political elections, they should be ignored!!!!

Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:01 pm Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 11:49 am
New report today says Hamas launched another rocket into an Israeli city…Hamas are endorsing Obama right?
___________________________________________________________________________

Tel: Give me a break - Hamas has a say in this election about as much as UBL does - no one really cares what they say

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your deflection wasn’t very effective. Hamas’ representative stated clearly, he hopes the new administration will change “policies” with Israel and that they hope Obama leads that administration.

Now do Hamas have a say (as you offered as a diversion) in this election?..NO. Does Hamas seeing Obama in a favourable light have an impact on voters’ perceptions of Obama..YES IT DOES. Why is this lost on you?
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Not lose on me - you said the spokesman “HOPES” - Obama has clearly stated the US postion on Israel will not change - Why is this lost on you?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’m glad you brought Obama’s offering up because you neglected to offer how he finished it.

He said he wouldn’t cooperate with Israel if he determines their officials haven’t behaved in a manner he deems appropriate.

Was that lost on you also?
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No - The US reserves the right to give and take their support as needed - if Irsael was acting in an inappropriate, then we support their actions - as we wouldnt with any other ally

not ONLY is obama endorsed by Hamas…he is having OPEN TALKS WITH THEM. He got busted and is trying to act like he didn’t know…like he didn’t know about his preacher.

then we “shouldnt”

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm then we “shouldnt”

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See the problem for you is that Jimmy Carter already tried talking to Hamas unconditionally only recently…it was a dismal failure. Hamas have the eradication of Israel as one of their central tenets. They’ll accept no alternative.

And Hamas sees Obama as an advantage to their cause…DEAL WITH IT!

Tel: The US is responsible for allot of the problems in the middle east - DEAL WITH IT

no mater EHAT or HOW you liberals try to justify and spin why it is ok that obama is having open talks with hamas…the fact reamins.

Obama is working with and has freindly relationships with terrorists.

TimeForChange,

The US is NOT to blame for the problems in the Mid East!!!

You liberals HATE America and trash it EVERY chance you get. NO WONDER you are a supporter of obama

Sorry for the type-os I just get carried away when people who hate America, like TimeForChange, make STUPID comments that are COMPLETLY baseless in order to give America a bad name. If you libs hate America and our military SOOOO much….LEAVE!!!!

DB:

You really need to study more of US involvement in that area

Clearly, the way we have dealt with Hamas in the past. John McCain represents more of the same.

With Obama, there will be a change in how we deal with Hamas and the like. I am for a different approach. The Old approachh we have had, has only serve to agitated the situation. We are no closer to resolving our differences using these old approaches.

TimeForChange,

You really need to buy a one way ticket to Iraq. Traitor…

HAMAS is OBAMA as a chance for meaningful Negotiation!!!!

DB:

Example:

In 1953, under orders from President Eisenhower, the CIA organized a military coup that overthrew Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. Britain, unhappy that Iran nationalized its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove Mossadeqh.

For years, the U.S. denied its involvement in the 1953 coup, but in March 2000, then Secretary of State Madeline Albright admitted, “In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran’s popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Mossadeqh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran’s political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.”

By the way, the Shah we helped to put in power later took 50 US hostages

yea with Obama the change will be talk with hamas and teach them how to attack us and get away with it. You liberals are such IDIOTS. We have a man who OPENLY talks to hamas, has American terrorists and friends, has ZERO military knowledge and is a drug user….AND YOU STILL BLINDLY FOLLOW HIM

DB:

I was an army ranger for 7 years and an eagle scout - I have served this country well - but a fact is a fact

YOU NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!

TimeForChange,

your platoon is calling…they say you should be ashamed of yourself

LOL - Where do you think I learned of these truths - The army

YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!
YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!
YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!
YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!
YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!
YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORIST A-HOLE!!!!!!

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm Tel: The US is responsible for allot of the problems in the middle east - DEAL WITH IT

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You have such a short memory don’t you Timeforachange? Do you remember the footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets after the September 11 attack? That’s what Hamas endorses…and they endorse Obama.

The dilemma for you is that Hamas sees Obama as an advantage to them. They are a terrorist organisation that has the eradication of Israel as their central tenet. DEAL WITH IT!

And spouting your leftie “go-to-isms” isnt’ a defense for Obama’s appealing to Hamas.

You want some more less known factiods?

TimeForChange,

If you where in the Army….you wouldn’t hate America.

If you were really in the Army…there is NO WAY IN HELL you would support Obama.

So…..I gotta call BULLSHT on that one.

The Taliban and UBL - both were trained and financed by the US - in order to resist the Russian invasion in Afganistan - truth hurts, dont it

I think Liberals love their country as well as conservatives.

Liberals see the opportunity to correct mistakes our country has made.

Conservatives take a blind eye to our mistakes believing that this country can never make a mistake.

If this country were perfect in every decision it makes, then there would be no room for growth and no point in having elections.

Place your email in the comments and I will forward you my Honorable discharge

Timeforachange…your quoting of operation Ajax isn’t helping you either. You forget Mossagdegh positioned himself to be elected through unconstitutional means in Iran. The Shah asked for CIA assistance. NO US Troops were involved. And the best part of it all?

Jimmy Carter got the Ayatollah into Iran….DEAL WITH IT!

Jeremiah Wrigth served as a Marine also….your defense is no defense Timeforachange.

What kind world would we have if we chose not to negotiate with people we do not like?

This is why we have such a mess in Iraq!!!!

Tel:

Your facts are fawled at best - Mossagdegh was democratically elected - it was over the nationalization of oil -oil -oil

Many US soliders support Obama - retired and serving

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Tel:

Your facts are fawled at best - Mossagdegh was democratically elected - it was over the nationalization of oil -oil -oil

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Give it a rest will you? Mossadegh positioned himself to be elected through unlawful means in Iran at the time. The Shah asked for CIA help. NO US troops entered Iran AND Jimmy Carter got the Ayatollah into Iran… a democrat…you know?..The kind Michael just bleated about “fixing things”.

Want more factiods? Try this one on for size - the US supply the chermicals to Saddam that he used on the Kurds - we were supply him with arms and munitions to fight Iran

We were so angry after 911, we felt we had to strike out at someone and we chose Iraq, not because they had anyhing to do with 911, but because we did not like them.

We did not think we would still be there 5+ years later. We did not think that we would have 4000+ US troops dead and still be bogged down in Iraq.

In a nutshell, WE DID NOT THINK. We simply reacted, BADLY I might add.

Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Tel:

Your facts are fawled at best - Mossagdegh was democratically elected - it was over the nationalization of oil -oil -oil

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Give it a rest will you? Mossadegh positioned himself to be elected through unlawful means in Iran at the time. The Shah asked for CIA help. NO US troops entered Iran AND Jimmy Carter got the Ayatollah into Iran… a democrat…you know?..The kind Michael just bleated about “fixing things”.
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Better go back and read the earlier statement:

Britain, unhappy that Iran nationalized its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove Mossadeqh.

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:30 pm Want more factiods? Try this one on for size - the US supply the chermicals to Saddam that he used on the Kurds - we were supply him with arms and munitions to fight Iran

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Fact: the delivery systems were French. Y

Obama_Factiods1

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Tel: The US is responsible for allot of the problems in the middle east - DEAL WITH IT

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@ TimeForChange

You really need to study your history better, if you go back a lot of the problems in the Middle East traces back to Great Britain not the United States. Unless you’re referring to the fact we’re not going to allow a second Holocaust.

Sometimes change is good sometimes change is bad, it may be time for a change but I don’t believe it will ever be time for a change like Obama has in mind!

There are people that trust Hillary Clinton more than Obama, that’s a cause for concern cause HRC isn’t exactly honest.

Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm Comment by Tel…
May 14th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Comment by TimeForChange
May 14th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Tel:

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NO..that’s the leftie spin. The Shah asked for help. The CIA helped and NO US troops entered Iran….and Jimmy Carter THE DEMOCRAT…messed it up for everyone.