Super Delagates, Dont be afraid of Obama and his supporters.

“Now as some people know we were told at the beginning of this race that we were not supposed to campaign in Florida and Michigan so we didn’t campaign in Florida and Michigan,” “We played by the rules that everybody agreed to. We took our name off the ballot in Michigan because we weren’t supposed to be campaigning there. So obviously we don’t think that that was a fair contest and that it should count in the same way the other contests have counted.”

Blatant LIE on both counts. The Obama Campaign did not have to take his name off the ballot in Michigan and they actively campaigned there along with Edwards to have their supporters vote Uncommitted, of which I think they can split the 40% they garnered in Delegates & Popular vote, so long as Hillary gets the 55% in Delegates & Popular vote she rightfully earned by NOT actively campaigning there! Obama also ran a TV add in Florida for a week before their Primary, disqualifying him from getting ANY Delegates (Check the DNC rules). He can keep his Popular vote & Hillary should get her fair share of Delegates & Popular votes for NOT breaking the rules. If he would “have every interest in making sure that Florida and Michigan are happy”, he would have done this before. Instead his Campaign BLOCKED the efforts of the Clinton Campaign and the party leaders in Michigan and Florida from trying to make sure the voice of 2.3 million disenfranchised Democratic voters were heard!

Howard Dean & Donna Brazille, with a BIG ASSIST from the Obama Media are the ones who have effectively split the party with their thinly veiled favoritism which became very apparent after Iowa. The DNC should be ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING legitimate claims of voter fraud coming from the caucus states. Failing to do so is disenfranchising an increasing number of Democratic voters.

For all the “UNINFORMED” (AND THE DNC/OBAMA/MEDIA WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY) The ones who keep saying that the only way Hillary is going to win is if she “steals” it by doing a backroom deal with the superdelegates are trying to pull another fast one on you. Neither Hillary nor Obama can get the magic number of Delegates to win the nomination without superdelegates help. The rules do NOT state that the SDs have to give their vote to the one with the most pledged delegates. It says that the SDs should vote their conscience as to which candidate would best represent the Democrats in the General election. We all know who she is! DEMS DA RULZ

Hillary for America….great post!!

Someone asked me, a Christian black ex-sinner, why aren’t you voting for Barak Obama? I simply told them that I didn’t believe in the man. They said, are you voting Republican then? I told them, I just might if Hillary Clinton doesn’t somehow get on board with him. Wow, they said! I told them, it came down to two things for me. The first one: Barak Obama reminds me too much of the Barak in Judges Chapter 4, a man who history gave the credit for winning a battle but a man who didn’t get the credit by God. By this I mean that Barak never wanted to run in the first place for the President of the United States of America, he heard about Hillary Clinton beginning to ponder on entering the race and he was convinced by those around him to enter into the race. A man that does not have God as his central guide should not be given a place of power. Every man, because that who the Presidents were, relied on God, the Word of God to guide this country. I believe the Bible is clear: in the absence of a qualified man a qualified woman immediately must take the reigns; don’t elect an unqualified man into power because it is just trouble.
The second thing that I said was, having a President who fears God is the most important thing to me in times like these. In this country we pride ourselves on religious tolerance, Christians accept non-Christians because they wrote it in the Constitution of the United States; however, they wrote in the Constitution because they knew that it took the power of God to accept others in their country. Let us take a lesson ahead of the election from 1st Samuel 8, the children of Israel set the path to their destruction by voting a man into power that possessed great stature. They didn’t know he would be all about the power and bring them to a point of almost destruction. This man, Saul, was later found not to even respect the Word of God or the prophet of God. Although this very prophet had guided him spiritually through many problems in his elected life, a man that all people knew was anointed by God, Samuel the prophet, this man shrugged his noise up at him and did the opposite of what he said. Matthew 10: 40-41 in the New International Version of the Bible states it best:
He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward.
What’s the flip side of this? In all that we know in this country about the plight (trouble) of children of Israel, how can we inter-mix other religious ideas into our government now? Who will give Barak Obama the Word of God now, now that he has publicly shamed his own pastor? Will even our legendary Bill Graham be able to talk to him about the Word? Remember, if you are not getting the Word of God you are getting the word of human and the word of … That’s my answer to you and to you that read these words. She’s been down and she’s been up but she has never forgotten God even when she sinned. We all fall short but we never talk about the Lord’s person when they are doing the Lord’s work.
Proverbs 1:1-7
The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel: 2 for attaining wisdom and discipline; for understanding words of insight; 3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life, doing what is right and just and fair; 4 for giving prudence to the simple, knowledge and discretion to the young- 5 let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance- 6 for understanding proverbs and parables, the sayings and riddles of the wise. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.
For the sake of Martin Luther King, don’t elect Barak Obama the next President of the United States of America. African-American from the time of slavery have relied on God to get through their struggles, Barak Obama thumbs his noise up at everything the struggled for in this life. Ministers, Pastors, and ordinary Christians prayed for better days to come and God answered their prayers. It might have taken centenaries to come to those days but he heard their cries and brought them into a better time like the children of Israel getting let into a different land. If we elect Barak Obama as our next President, the dream of Martin Luther has not been accomplished because he never had a dream of destroying our faith to make that dream a reality. He never would of wanted for the African-American people to see an African-American rise to the top by separating himself from the very thing that caused him achieve equality, God. Barak Obama has set the stage for all to see: An African-American man may reach the top by denouncing God. If Obama is elected, all African-American women and men (especially) will begin to believe that denouncing the very people that opened the door to the equality we have is the way they should get by in this life. I say to you say no to Obama, yes to Clinton or its McCain because such great a model of rejection cannot be tolerated in African-American community of the United States or by the Christian people of the world.

Either candidate, Hillary or Obama will be flawed for the GE. Only if we come together can we change the course of this nation.

How was Hillary’s acceptance speech? I missed it.

Comment by TR
May 13th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

How was Hillary’s acceptance speech? I missed it.
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She’s delusional as to be expected and her supporters believe her.

Was it any different than the indiana speech, or does she look still committed to win?

Agreed. What we need to do is put a person in office who will decrease the size of our government. Unfortunately, we continue to put people such as Clinton and Obama up in this election who believe the solution for America is BIG government. They think that the answer for America is more taxes and more government run programs. Has anyone out there ever stood in line at the post office, the social security office, completed a tax return, etc.? I have yet to see a government program where the effectiveness and logic outweigh the negligent bureaucracy. We need to regain our personal freedoms and control of our lives. We do not need the government to coddle us throughout life. Unfortunately, looking at the popularity of Clinton and Obama, it seems there are far too many Americans who prefer the government to take the reins of their lives. I truly believe that these supporters feel that responsiblity and freedom are overrated.

Thankyou West Virginia for doing such a good job. Hillary the only qualified candidate in the demcroatic race. Our only electable candidate. Hillary Clinton the next persident of the USA.

I guess no 92% African Voters could change the balance of this vote today…. Just like it not going matter in the General Election!!!!!! Let face it, Dem going to need Florida and Michigan to win in the NOV…. Right now Obama better do better job getting blue collar voters, if not McCain going to carried those so called Red State that Obama been winning, plus with Ohio, Penn, Mass, Fl and even California up for grap now……. Don’t let McCain get Huckabee as a running mate, it will even be harder to win…. Huckabee nothing but a male version of Hillary Clinton…. He going to have alot of pulled in those Red States!!!!!! Obama going to need Hillary on the ticket, not sure he can win by himself now….

Seat FL & MI based on the elections that have taken place.
(Obama does not get MI 55 uncommitted).

Hillary has the momentum to close this gap. The tide is turning in West Virgina even though she was probably outspent by a significant amount as was done in Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. This contest is not over.

Comment by Khara
May 13th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Agreed. What we need to do is put a person in office who will decrease the size of our government. Unfortunately, we continue to put people such as Clinton and Obama up in this election who believe the solution for America is BIG government. They think that the answer for America is more taxes and more government run programs. Has anyone out there ever stood in line at the post office, the social security office, completed a tax return, etc.? I have yet to see a government program where the effectiveness and logic outweigh the negligent bureaucracy. We need to regain our personal freedoms and control of our lives. We do not need the government to coddle us throughout life. Unfortunately, looking at the popularity of Clinton and Obama, it seems there are far too many Americans who prefer the government to take the reins of their lives. I truly believe that these supporters feel that responsiblity and freedom are overrated.

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How do you expect our mail to get anywgere, what would you propose? Catch a plane and fly it there yourself?
What would the elderly do with out SS?
It takes a village right?

Wow people still cheering Hillary on its amazing!

wow, you paid people are brutal

thank you west virginia . you havespoken.thank you hillary for america. we know that hillary will make the best president. we dont know this obama stranger.

Hillary is For America:
How do you expect our mail to get anywgere, what would you propose? Catch a plane and fly it there yourself?
What would the elderly do with out SS?
It takes a village right?

You are in a severe need of a free market lesson. Just because the government delivers the mail does not mean they are the only ones that are able. In fact, when you have several businesses competing for business, service becomes better. If a business were to handle the postal work, it would be more efficient, and if it wasn’t, another business would take it’s place.

Now, as for your mention of Social Security, you seem to be unaware of what a mess it is. It is a bankrupt system. Now, just a suggestion, but just think. If a person, rather than giving a portion of their paycheck to Uncle Sam so they can make interest off of it AND give it to people who it does not belong to, kept (gasp!!) that money and put it in an IRA or Money Market account so it could grow at a much more rapid rate and they could get that at their retirement, they would be more secure for retirement. However, this would take responsibility, something that Obama and Clinton supporters shutter at.

Clinton’s infamous “It takes a village,” statement is actually a socialist ideal. It is a theory in a Utopian environment.

I am for Obama. Yes he lost today, but that was expeceted. I didn’t think it was as bad as predicted. Hillary has lost every opportunity to win this. It’s time to get together and back the candidate better at winning the election.

Hillary has every right to keep running. She is running for 2012 though. Here is her plan:

1. Win as many votes as possible.
2. Damage Barack Obama so badly he can’t be elected in November.
3. Fight fearlessly at the Democratic National Convention.
4. Give a weak endorsement of Obama.
5. Watch Obama lose the General Election.
6. Start raising funds for 2012.

She is banking on a disastrous McCain presidency.

One more thing, Hillary is For America. Our government is to blame for several of our economic woes. Food prices, just take one look at subsidiaries to farmers (if you don’t know what I am talking about on that one, please look it up). Gas prices, look at ANWR. The government has dug our grave.

Khara,

Fact of the matter is that the govt. does supply certain services in this country. No matter how much you don’t like it, The post office, secretary of state, road commission etc. will stay open. SS is bankrupt because of republican rule, so don’t try and talk about it when you destroyed it. There is no getting around it, our country does have some socialist aspects to it. It is a mixture of capitalism and socialism. As long as we do have a free market, we will never be a socialist country. The govt. will always be somewhat involved in healthcare also. You should just be glad that you have a good job and can afford to pay your copays. Well I hope you have a good job. I do, and don’t mind contributing to some of the less fortunate.

happy days will be here again. the donkey will win lol

I think this is a good race. Hillary should stay in until all states have participated. The race is too close. If Hillary can turn the tide, more power to her. I will be one of the first in line to support her. If she comes up short, I will be supporting Obama. I think it would be an injustice for her to get out now even though the math is working against her. She needs to stay in on general principle because of the tight race. When it is all over, whomever is deemed the nominee should be supported by the majority of Americans so we can change the direction of our country.

Political Tracker says:
Fact of the matter is that the govt. does supply certain services in this country. No matter how much you don’t like it, The post office, secretary of state, road commission etc. will stay open. SS is bankrupt because of republican rule, so don’t try and talk about it when you destroyed it. There is no getting around it, our country does have some socialist aspects to it. It is a mixture of capitalism and socialism. As long as we do have a free market, we will never be a socialist country. The govt. will always be somewhat involved in healthcare also. You should just be glad that you have a good job and can afford to pay your copays. Well I hope you have a good job. I do, and don’t mind contributing to some of the less fortunate.

You, my friend, need to brush up on your politics a bit. A person knowledgeable about parties other than Republican and Democrat would be able to tell that I am neither. I am a Libertarian. Now, I have explained the free market approach in a post above. Please glance at it. It is short and sweet. Now, the reason our government has socialist aspects to it is because of greed, mostly of the politicians. They have convinced America that they need the government to take care of them (it seems you have been reeled in as well). They don’t want to be “out” a job and all of that power.

Now, as for the job situation. Yes, I have a decent job. I actually just found out my hours were cut due to the economy being so poor. My husband and I will take care of ourselves and be RESPONSIBLE, though. Now, I think it is wonderful you want to help the less fortunate. I do as well. However, charity does a much better job at helping those less fortunate. This is obvious. People should give to charity BY CHOICE. They earn their money and they should decide where it goes. We don’t need the fat cat/middlemen/women politicians (who make well over $100k per year) to take care of charitable contributions of America.

you know i do hate to say it but it does take avillage and if that sounds sociolistic then so be it. we are better off helping each other. just look at that country that just had a cyclone hit. we do need to be my brothers keeper.

Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Khara,

Fact of the matter is that the govt. does supply certain services in this country. No matter how much you don’t like it, The post office, secretary of state, road commission etc. will stay open. SS is bankrupt because of republican rule, so don’t try and talk about it when you destroyed it. There is no getting around it, our country does have some socialist aspects to it. It is a mixture of capitalism and socialism. As long as we do have a free market, we will never be a socialist country. The govt. will always be somewhat involved in healthcare also. You should just be glad that you have a good job and can afford to pay your copays. Well I hope you have a good job. I do, and don’t mind contributing to some of the less fortunate.
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Congress as an institution is responsible for the current state of SS. This is not a party issue.

For years, Congress has used the SS trust fund as its piggy bank.

Excellent point, bigtex. The fact of the matter is that GOVERNMENT, both Republican and Democrat, have created the Social Security nightmare. Mismanagement is a word that can often be associate with Uncle Sam.

Hillary is determined and has self driven. obama is just a little rubber toy made in China (sorry Indonesia) in somebody hands.

I would like to commend the great people in West Virginia for your overwhelming vote for Hillary Clinton today. Over the last couple of days, I have seen many comments that implied the people in WV were not educated, not equal to the elites in the Democratic party, etc. By your vote today, you have demonstrated without a doubt that you are not only much smarter than a large part of the Democratic party, but that you are even smarter than Howard Dean and the left wing element that makes up a significant part of our biased media today.

Nice job WV.

Hillary I’m so proud of you. You have a strong spirit.

Hillary or McCain

When I read angry and aggressive comments from obama supporters I picture angry and aggressive people of arab streets. It looks like if they get together one day they start burn together American flags and replicas of Uncle Sam. Just shear an opinion.

Hillbilly says:
you know i do hate to say it but it does take avillage and if that sounds sociolistic then so be it. we are better off helping each other. just look at that country that just had a cyclone hit. we do need to be my brothers keeper.

You are missing a very credible point. People who do not want the government to take care of people are not heartless (most of the time). They just do not want the government to do it in a form of redistribution of wealth and overtaxation. It should be the choice of the people as to wher their money goes. Of course, some will be greedy and not want to help, but most will help. Hillbilly, you need to understand government in order to understand why socailism does not work. Trust me, if you have somebody working their hands to the bone and they make a fairly decent wage, but they just have to give up what they earned to someone who was sitting on the couch all day playing Grand Theft Auto, there is no motivation. If one person works harder than the other person, but they both make the same wage, why on Earth would the hard worker keep working hard? Understand?

Khara, big tex.
You should pay more attention to my post. I said fact of the matter is the government will always provide certain services. I didn’t say that they do it correctly all the time, I just said they will always be involved, like it or not. I can understand your a libertarian and will continue to lobby for the government not to be involved in anything, but it is false hopes on your behalf. When Bill clinton left office, SS had a major surplus, I blame GWB and his republican majority from 2000-2006 for the bankruptcy of SS. I know 9-11 happened, but I believe we acted the wrong way in the way we’re dealing with Iraq. So it is a partisan issue. And by the way, we owed China nothing before Bush took office. Now I see why the rich got richer, the middle class is closer to being poor, and the poor is just still poor, and our national debt is outrageous. This is a partisan issue. Pay as you go.

We have 1/3 of the world economy because we re driven by capital and enterprise. We will last third of the world with obama (Lord forbid).

Why hasn’t the media, critics, pundits, or super delegates acknowledged that voters might have changed their minds about Senator Obama since the Wright, Bittergate, Ayers controversies emerged after 40 contests were held. If voters knew about these issues prior to these primaries and caucuses, the results most likely would be less favorable for Obama. There is recent evidence in voting patterns and polls to suggest diminishing support for Obama.

Thank you West Virginia!!! Open your eyes superdelegates endorse Hillary Clinton NOW. Please Oregon vote for Hillary!!!!

Hillary for President!!!!

Khara,One thing that Government does for farmers, is tie our hands. I`m sure it does not seem that way just to see the numbers, but the gifts are few. The biggest payout that I hear the most complaints about is CRP. The crop reduction program. It`s a measure that is driven by both sides of the isle, for different reasons. Liberals, and environmentalists want to reduce the number of planted acres, because they are worried about top soil, and nutrient erosion, which leads to a higher fertilizer load, to support the same yield per acre. The right of the situation, wants to reduce acres planted to avoid flooding the market, which drives the value of the crop down, and drives the farmer out of business. The government pays farmers not to plant parts of their farm for ten years. Although you are paid to do nothing, you are also not making a profit off of this land, nor are you allowed to. You cannot graze cattle on it. You can`t cut, and sell hay off of it, but you still have to sew grass on it. You can`t just leave it barren. That is done at your own expense, and you have to keep it mowed. That is also your expense. And don`t forget that for every acre you own, that is an acre that still has taxes on it. After expenses you lose money. That is just one example, but none of these programs provide the free money people think.

Count Florida and Michigan!!!! Go Hillary!!!!

OH YES…

MISSISSIPPI IS IN PLAY

The rev wright ads FAILED. Childers wins!!!!

You guys still talking about Grill-ary Clinton.

Thank you, West Virginia!

She’s done. WV meant nothing….

Donna Brazille said tonight .. dont hold your breath for counting fl and mi as is.

Republicans will only be successful in linking Obama as the flock to Wright as the flock leader. Two degrees of guilt by association isn’t an effective strategy for attack because unlike Obama, these candidates didn’t sit in the pews of Trinity United Church for 20 years listening to Wright’s hateful sermons.

Khara and bigtex.
What happened to you guys, i’m waiting for a response regarding you libertarian wants, and the reality how things are and will be?

Didn’t we try to provide health care coverage for the underpriviledged and poor with a government program already? Its called MEDICAID, isn’t it? Is it working? Do we really want ANOTHER government run health care program when the politicians (of BOTH parties) have already proven their ineptness with Medicare, Social Security, the Veteran’s Administration, etc.?

I cannot believe any sound-minded with common sense American can trust this hand-picked candidate. People may have different agenda, but no faith with this populist.
Thank you West Virginia!

I’m a McCain guy, but I think that Hillary should hang in there. What does she have to lose? Most Reps like myself believe that she would be much harder for McCain to beat than Obama. Also, Obama has shown a definite inability to win many of the really big states that he needs to win in Nov. I disagree with pretty much 100 percent of Hillary’s thinking, but she would at least be a functioning president. Obama would be a disaster for this country.

Lorenzo,

I didn’t complete your long statement of why God would not choose Barack, but I realized that God did not want sin (Bill Clinton) in the White House again, so he placed Barack there to stop it.

Now, as for your mention of Social Security, you seem to be unaware of what a mess it is. It is a bankrupt system. Now, just a suggestion, but just think. If a person, rather than giving a portion of their paycheck to Uncle Sam so they can make interest off of it AND give it to people who it does not belong to, kept (gasp!!) that money and put it in an IRA or Money Market account so it could grow at a much more rapid rate and they could get that at their retirement, they would be more secure for retirement. However, this would take responsibility, something that Obama and Clinton supporters shutter at.
Clinton’s infamous “It takes a village,” statement is actually a socialist ideal. It is a theory in a Utopian environment.

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political tracker You could not have said it better. I am with you 110%!
Khara
You are in the very low minority in you thinking or more people would think as you do, I thank God they dont. If you dont like the way things are in this country, I dont understand why you choose to live here.

This is a big victory for Obama……

The only reason Obama is ahead is the stupid cacusses, which are red states that he or hillary wont win in Nov…. Because then everyone will have to go vote.

I want to see a poll where they ask people if they would take back their vote for Obama if they could????

I’m proud of Hillary’s supporters. We leave our comments in the news web site using our profestional language but not the low class language.

Hillay or McCain

Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Khara and big tex.
What happened to you guys, I’m waiting for a response regarding you libertarian wants, and the reality how things are and will be?
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First of all, I did not state my political affiliation, do not assume.
The reality of SS, is that it has no funds, just an IOU. All funds received through payroll taxes are first paid out in benefits, and the remainder are placed into the general fund and spent each year. This has been done by Congress, regardless of who is in power. The challenge facing SS is the fact that in the near future, it will be required to pay out more in benefits each year than is received through payroll taxes due to the numbers of recipients versus the numbers of payers into the system. Currently, no one has a concrete plan to address this. With that said, it is my sincerest hope that an intelligent solution can be found, because that is a promise that needs to be kept.

Comment by Jimbo

I’m a McCain guy, but I think that Hillary should hang in there. What does she have to lose? Most Reps like myself believe that she would be much harder for McCain to beat than Obama. Also, Obama has shown a definite inability to win many of the really big states that he needs to win in Nov. I disagree with pretty much 100 percent of Hillary’s thinking, but she would at least be a functioning president. Obama would be a disaster for this country.
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I agree with you. I cannot believe any sound mind with common sense American can trust this hand-picked candidate. People may have different agenda, but no faith to this populist.

“We want a society in which we are free to make choices, to make mistakes, to be generous and compassionate. That is what we mean by a moral society – not a society in which the State is responsible for everything, and no one is responsible for the State.”
Margaret Thacher

Read Obamas Books people. you shall see the truth, This man scares the hell out of me.

You are wrong about who raided Social security, it was Lyndon Johnson and the democratic senators and representatives, it was Al Gore and the democrats who passed the taxes on Social Security benifits, it was Jimmy carter and the democrats who gave social security to immigrants that never paid into it. So It is the democrats who are so happy to spend social security. Not the republicans. go research it before you post it. And it is the democratic congress and house that is sinking us now because they pass the bills, taxes, if we go to war, and the budget and where the money is spent. 107 democrats have pork barrels attached to bills to go to their states to gain votes and contributions to their campains compared to repulicans at 70. Pork barrels are tax dallors attached to a bill that is passed that has nothing to do with the bill but is your taxes being taken to give to special intrests that support a rep or congress perso. So who is wasting your taxes, can you spell D E M O C R A T S?

Mondell Dillard Jr.

If the government completely vacated dealing with health insurance many hospitals would go bankrupt. The system is not perfect but at least the hospitals can get some kickbacks for caring for people that don’t have health insurance. Hospital emergency rooms would continue to see people with no healthcare. Hospitals lawfully have to provide stabilizing healthcare to people. I hope you don’t think private insurance companies will foot the bill. If the government doesnt’ help with these people, it would be a disaster for healthcare institutions in america. Unless of course if your OK with letting people hurt, ache, or even possible pass away at hospital door steps.

Comment by Hillary or McCain

May 13th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I’m proud of Hillary’s supporters. We leave our comments in the news web site using our profestional language but not the low class language.
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I agree. They have no language. Vulgar slang only.

Hillary or McCain,

Hmm. By the way, according to poles they are highly educated, high-income supporters. May be they need a little bit more education to expand vocabulary? I guess it is difficult for us (normal people) debate with professors.

big tex.

My point is that it wasn’t an IOU before GWB took office with a republican majority from 2000-2006. Do you understand what surplus means. GWB never used his veto pen until the democrats won the majority. Spending got completely out of hand and the SS fund was used for things other than SS.

Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Mondell Dillard Jr.

If the government completely vacated dealing with health insurance many hospitals would go bankrupt. The system is not perfect but at least the hospitals can get some kickbacks for caring for people that don’t have health insurance. Hospital emergency rooms would continue to see people with no healthcare. Hospitals lawfully have to provide stabilizing healthcare to people. I hope you don’t think private insurance companies will foot the bill. If the government doesnt’ help with these people, it would be a disaster for healthcare institutions in america. Unless of course if your OK with letting people hurt, ache, or even possible pass away at hospital door steps.
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Please re-read my post. I am against ANOTHER wasteful health plan. Since we already have MEDICAID, shouldn’t we fix those problems first before diving into still another nanny-state system? I DID NOT say to do away with the current systems, I said don’t start another. Unless and until we fix what already exists, we’re just piling on more headaches, expenses, and potential fraud (in my opinion). Trying to ridicule me as being uncaring or heartless (as the last two sentences of your post implied) is not constructive to discussing the issue. I just don’t believe in ALL or NOTHING approaches by any candidate.

Kay
Your talking about Jimmy carter, and lyndon johnson. I do believe they were presidents before good ole willy clint. You fail to understand the word surplus just like big tex. The SURPLUS was after Willy Clinton was done with office. To start talking about what lyndon johnson and jimmy carter did to SS is crazy.

News flash, social security has been used for everything except social security sence Lyndon Johnson first opened it up. It is not and was not the republicans, and the budget was getting balanced until democrats were voted in. They are proud to tell you they will not every help a republican president. It has been the last year and a half that our budget has gone to pot and if you bother to go and look at pork barrel spending you will know why. Also note that both Hillery and Obama have used MILLIONS of your taxes to promote themselfs but you will not see McCains name on the millions aquired because he did not use any pork barrels. Our country is in debt due to $300+ billions given to illegals every year, close to a billion in pork barrels, and all these stupid grants to run electric lines, gas lines, water lines to new housing in the country and guess what the people building those houses also pay the same utility companies to run those same lines. The goverment pays outragous sums to have a toilet seat put in a bathroom. It does not take a rocket sientist to turn screws on a toilet seat so it should not cost over $300.00 per seat. A screw that cost maybe a quarter at Lowes the congress pays over $100.00 for. That is padding some ones pocket. Get real we are in debt because congress thinks our taxes are their mad money and have no problems spending it.

Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
big tex.

My point is that it wasn’t an IOU before GWB took office with a republican majority from 2000-2006. Do you understand what surplus means. GWB never used his veto pen until the democrats won the majority. Spending got completely out of hand and the SS fund was used for things other than SS.
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And my point is that the surplus from SS each year has gone into the general fund. This started long before Bush took office. Go research how the SS trust fund works. This is not a new phenomenon. The money is spent each year for either deficit reduction, of to fund social programs.

Mondell Dillard.
sorry but i did not ridicule nor would I. Your posts are good for conversation. Medicare and Medicaid does need fixing and I believe this is what Hill or Obama plans on doing. If you believe I took your post out of context i’m sorry for the perceived interpretation. Your post appeared (at least to me) to say you wanted the govt. completely out of the healthcare business. but again sorry, I had no intention to offend.

No if you read what I said when Bill Clinton was president the republicans had the congress and house control, there fore they did the budgets and spending they set the country on it’s feet. And I was simply stateing it was not the republicans that started using our social security but the democrats. Look up what the congress does as versus the prsident. The president just vetos not passes or sets the budget.

And when the democrats say the president is just a figure head they are right. It is the houses that run our country into bankruptcy.

Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Kay
Your talking about Jimmy carter, and lyndon johnson. I do believe they were presidents before good ole willy clint. You fail to understand the word surplus just like big tex. The SURPLUS was after Willy Clinton was done with office. To start talking about what lyndon johnson and jimmy carter did to SS is crazy
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I understand the word SURPLUS. Just understand the SS surplus has historically been spent by Congress through the general fund.

And yes they wanted to set the surplus aside for the futures of all of us, they wanted to save it not use it. The democrats once again vetoed that. It is not in their plans to save social security when they can borrow it and waste it.

Kay,
I do agree that government contracts pay way to much money. They need more competition when it comes to there bidding. Believe me good ole dick cheney doesn’t mind these contracts and govt. spending. Haliburton sure is raking in the dough.

I do understand that the surplus is what you are talking about. I am saying it has been used for years and when the republicans wanted that surplus set aside for the tax payers the democrats vetoed it.

Your right Kay. GWB should have used that veto pen when he had a complete majority. Absolute power absolutely corrupts.

Let`s not forget the good ol boys Veto, and Paulie, and their guaranteed union contracts, via their bought and paid for Democratic politicians. Pad it up good, and spread it around.

May 13th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Comment by political tracker
May 13th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Mondell Dillard Jr.

If the government completely vacated dealing with health insurance many hospitals would go bankrupt. The system is not perfect but at least the hospitals can get some kickbacks for caring for people that don’t have health insurance. Hospital emergency rooms would continue to see people with no healthcare. Hospitals lawfully have to provide stabilizing healthcare to people. I hope you don’t think private insurance companies will foot the bill. If the government doesnt’ help with these people, it would be a disaster for healthcare institutions in america. Unless of course if your OK with letting people hurt, ache, or even possible pass away at hospital door steps.
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Please re-read my post. I am against ANOTHER wasteful health plan. Since we already have MEDICAID, shouldn’t we fix those problems first before diving into still another nanny-state system? I DID NOT say to do away with the current systems, I said don’t start another. Unless and until we fix what already exists, we’re just piling on more headaches, expenses, and potential fraud (in my opinion). Trying to ridicule me as being uncaring or heartless (as the last two sentences of your post implied) is not constructive to discussing the issue. I just don’t believe in ALL or NOTHING approaches by any candidate
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Very well said Mondell. I don’t buy everything hook,line, and sinker from any party. Been around long enough to know that both sides have something to offer, and irrespective of your party and leanings, be they far to any side, the best solutions are usually somewhere in the middle.