Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X

They are the same kind or type of people.

It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.

“Birds of the same feathers flock together.” What a scary thought ahead for our country…
Think people… think…

Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X

They are the same kind or type of people.

It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.

“Birds of the same feathers flock together.”
“Tell me your friends are, and I tell you who you are.”

What a scary thought ahead for our country…
Think people… think…

Substance Abuse
A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama’s bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton’s. Don’t believe

it.

Obama’s Oil Spill
Obama says he doesn’t take money from oil companies. We say that’s a little too slick.

Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X

They are the same kind or type of people.
It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.

“Birds of the same feathers flock together.”
“Tell me your friends are, and I tell you who you are.”

What a scary thought ahead for our country…
Think people… think…

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

@ kikz

Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X

They are the same kind or type of people.

It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.

The same type of people? With the excpetion of Rezko; you are correct. In fact you could put the Founding Fathers in that group also. They ALL wanted the same thing; Freedom from TYRANNY! It’s amazing that you didn’t mention Dr. King. Oh; I forgot. He’s been hippie-fied to the point that you don’t REALLY know what he stood for; do you?

Of course we could also put Jesus in this group if you ever read more than ” peace be still.”

Either Hillary Clinton is talking while unconscious or she has lost all senses and thinks she is a member of the Clinton Party rather than the Democratic Party, and as such it gives her the license to continue to tear the real Democratic contender at every opportunity she gets. Does she not yet realize that by attacking Barack Obama she is in essense doing the job of his Republican opponent for free? Is she that self serving and selfish that she does not realize that what she does is hurting not only the most viable Democratic Contender but the Democratic Party itself?
This by itself shows very poor judgment, poor leadership capabilities and a great deal of inmaturity. When you add the poor campaign management, the “misspeaks” (lies) and deceptions, and her constant flip-flops on issues, one just has to wonder what is going on in that head of hers! She keeps sinking herself more and more, and at this point she is not even fit to be the assistant of the assistant of housekeeping for the White House!
Shame on Hillary Clinton!

Inquiring MINDS want to know why Hillary wasn’t raising ANY fuss about Michigan and Florida when she was leading? Both candidates knew what the results would be IN JANUARY! (when Barak was a fine young man and Hillary was the leadinging Dem cadidate) Now; she needs a miracle and the rules THAT SHE WAS AWARE OF don’t count?

Be careful Hillary! You may not think much of the black vote(and you SHOULD know that WE carried your husband on OUR shoulders) but if you get your way; you will prove to many of us what you think of us. We have already survived Bush; don’t make us vote for McCain/Rice. Condi is a serious piece of work; but so is Hillary. Take it from us and we will take it from you.

Last but not least………

WHAT IS SO FRIGGING WRONG WITH HAVING A BLACK MAN AS POTUS? He certainly can’t be worse than the ANGRY WHITE OVERPRIVELEDGED MAN thst is the current occupant. He can’t be any worse than the OLD ANGRY WHITE MAN that wants to be President.

If you look beyond the skin color and name (things that NONE of us control; yet some of you can’t seem to get past…while you talk about MY PASTOR); Obama seems to be the best person to move us beyond our smirking cowboy C- student past. Do you really want your children to grow up in the world we have or the one that can be? Isn’t it time that the “greatest country in the world” stop living in un founded fear? The better question should be WHAT ARE YOU SOOOOOO DANGED AFRAID OF?

darrel…

WHAT IS SO FRIGGING WRONG WITH HAVING A BLACK MAN AS POTUS?
There’s no wrong at all… Except that BLACK MAN you are referring has so many questionable ties…
The black man you are referring has no much experience and pretending to be knowledgeable…
The black man you are referring have full of LIES AND DECEPTIONS…
The black man you are referring says one thing but do other things… just to get both sides of the fence… playing dirty politics…

The black man you are referring is not consistent with what he was saying…
The black man you are referring is not black at all because he got his white mother…
The black man you are referring can NOT make strong stand about critical issues… wait for someone makes the decision before he make up his mind…

The black man you are referring ALWAYS vote present and later on CLAIM he was against the war in IRAQ… in fact… HE WAS A Senator yet… It’s clear deception just to win votes…

The black man you are referring is just an empy suit…He is a bonehead…
The black man you are referring is playing dirty politics as he claim to change the politics in the WH…

The black man you are referring is just can not be trusted at ALL…

The better question are:
Why are you voting for this BLACK MAN?

in fact… HE WAS NOT A Senator yet… It’s clear deception just to win votes… How can you vote if you are not in the senate floor…

Darell:

What freedom of tyranny are talking about?

Those people associated with OBAMA is living their life in full luxury and freedom…

Kilz, you another of those sorry sack Clinton trolls? Spouting party lines instead of using your brain? You obviously have access to the internet, it is therefor amazing that you continue to spout lies and innuendo about Obama. Or, (more possibly the case), you’re one of those republican Trojans who support ol Hillary, because you know that against McCain, she is doomed. Hey, do you still think he’s a Muslim?

Beca.
has obama got the 2025 needed to win the nomination? NO! Then shut up!

what she calls lackadaisical effort by her party, I see as totally calculated from very early on. Had Michigan and Florida not been screwed by the absurd manipulations of the DNC, Clinton would have wrapped it up by “Super Tuesday II” at the latest. She knows this is the case. Obama knows this is the case. This will not be forgotten regardless of what sham FIX the party comes up with.

darrell,
The black vote only works in the democratic primaries! Unless you tell me the blacks voted for George Bush twice?

The large black vote in MS, AL, GA, and SC? These states have been republican states for decades! Maybe, blacks are voting republican in those states? NOT!

Hillary you are hilarious……First Baracks name was not on MI ballot, second both states were disqualified for moving up its primaries….oh and all the dems signed off saying that and that you all would not campaign in those states acknowledging that they had broken the rules……

oh, but thats right……you are losing right now in the race……so maybe we should reconsider this because it in your gameplan to say that you are the better dem choice because you can carry big states…..get a life, and try to win the old fashioned way…..by getting the people behind you and trusting you and voting for you…….

The Democratic Party is bigger than any one man. Barack Obama is not the Democratic Party. Neither is he the Democratic candidate YET.

Even if he was, the principle of enfranchisement is too important to sacrifice for the sake of one man. If supporting that man requires disenfranchising millions of American voters, then it is NOT worth it.

It is Barack Obama that is blocking revotes and preventing the DNC from counting the votes in FL and MI. If only he would accept revotes or the first vote, he would prove that he truly believes in “the will of the people”. As it is, he is destroying the “Democratic” Party by turning it against one of its core values: the right to vote for everyone. Not just the elite. Not just some people. Not just some states. ALL PEOPLE. ALL STATES.

No one person, no candidate is worth that sacrifice.

Oregon4Obama wrote,
1) “First Baracks name was not on MI ballot, second both states were disqualified for moving up its primaries….oh and all the dems signed off”
2) win the old fashioned way…..by getting the people behind you and trusting you and voting for you…….
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1) obama’s name not being on the ballot. Why? Did the DNC force him to take his name off the ballot in Michigan? Or maybe it was his “bad judgement” to say to the voters of Michigan that their vote does not count? obama and the DNC are making a bone head choice by punishing the voters of Florida and Michigan, not the elected officials who moved the primary dates up. The smart way the Republicans punished the officials from FL and MI was to take half of the delegates away. In this way the people do not get punished, but the elected officials.
2) We are behind Hillary and she will win the old fashioned way!

Oregon4Obama,
“oh, but thats right……you are losing right now in the race……so maybe we should reconsider this because it in your gameplan to say that you are the better dem choice because you can carry big states”
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obama has won some 28 contest, but only leads Hillary by less then 1% in popular votes and pledge delegates. 13.5 million blacks voted in 2004. 96% voted democratic in 2004. So simple math is that obama 90% or more of the black Democratic vote. That is at least 11.7 million black voters (this if you use 2004’s numbers-It is higher now!). I do not think that there are 11.7 million black voters in NC, so a big chunk of obama’s 14 million popular vote totals are from black voters. Hillary has the other part of the Democratic base, the seniors, older hispanics, Lower income white voters, and women. This is why he can not win any of the big states now or in November! That’s what the superdelegates need to see!

Howard Dean already said the Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated. Hillary, will you just SHUT UP; you’re giving us all a major headache.

Instead of yelling at Obama, why don’t you ask your own advisor Ickes why he VOTED to take away the votes/delegates from Michigan and Florida when he sat on the DNC committee that made that decision?

something is fishy!
The Power of Cook County, Illinois

In the race for the most popular votes in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary contests, Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton is about 711,000 votes — not including Florida or Michigan — according to Real Clear Politics.

Of Sen. Obama’s 711,000 popular-vote lead, 650,000 — or more than 90% of the total margin — comes from Sen. Obama’s home state of Illinois, with 429,000 of that lead coming from his home base of Cook County.

That margin in Cook County represents almost 60% of Obama’s total lead nationwide.

Interestingly, Sen. Obama’s 429,000-vote margin in Cook County alone is larger than the winning margin of either candidate in any state.

VOTE HILLARY ‘08

Doing everyting to win - problem is: the game ist over

Darrell - Wake up, your candidate has already showed how he will support the blacks, now that he has your vote. He was too busy campaigning to speak at the State of the Black Nation in Louisiana, all three candidates were asked to speak, Clinton, McCain and Obama. Clinton was the only one who spoke, then he was too busy campaigning to go to Memphis to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. Can’t you see how much you mean to him NOW THAT HE HAS YOUR VOTE!!!

Oregon4Obama - Senator Clinton DID NOT campaign or run ads in Florida. That was your boy that did that. HE admitted it, but “it was a mistake” the ads just “happened” to get on the Florida airwaves, his banners and yard signs “just happened” to get put out “by mistake”. Wake up American, this man is dangerous and I don’t want to hear any of you whining if he gets in the White House and things are worse than they are now. We know Senator Clinton will work long and hard to do the right thing for the American people as she always has, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is an unknown and the more we find out about him the worse he is. DON”T BE DUPED!!!

Doing negative publicity on the internet as a hopes to change votes is such a desperate move…

Did I said publicity? Sorry, I meant SPAM.

Barack Hussein obama newest position on the Olympics issue..

MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO!
Guess who’s the monkey here..

VOTE HILLARY 2008!!!!

Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.
Barack Hussein Obama is a MONKEY.

“I am Barack Hussein Obama, and I approved this message”.
WOOWOOWOOO..YEEYEEYEE..YEEYEE…AHH AHH AHH..

If it talks like a Monkey, looks like a Monkey, acts like a Monkey,

Then it probably is a MONKEY!!

Obamaites

You do realize that you are following Obama like people follow a religious leader don’t you? The only thing you will let enter your mind is what he SAYS. You know nothing about him and don’t want to know anything about him but what he tells you to believe about him.

The are acting like you are all on a mission from God.

Anyone who doesn’t follow the “right” path and support him are evil and deserving of your hate….hate?….don’t you realize how scary that is?

You Obama people were most likely nice people before this race, now you are filled with hate for anyone who doesn’t follow.

Hillary and McCain are not evil just for not endorsing Obama, they are both imperfect but nice people who have spent their lives trying to do the right thing for our country. You can disagree with them, don’t vote for them…but don’t HATE them, neither of them hate you.

This should really concern you…stop and think a moment if you still can.

I’m kind of surprised that Hillary brought up China and human rights abuses. After all she had ample opportunity to do that when her and Bill were “co-Presidents”. Come to think of it, the Democratic Party had been strangely silent about human rights abuses in China.
Oh that’s right, China was more COMMUNIST back then. Lately China has certainly embraced the capitalist doing business with them in a big way. I guess nice poor Communist countries like Cuba
are more to their liking. Besides it’s kind of hypocritical for Hillary to attack Chinas human rights policies now, her and Bill didn’t seem to mind those policies when they were selling missile technology to them in the 90s.

Well if Obama succeeds in blocking Florida and Michagan and steals this election, guess this 58 year old man will vote republican for the first time. I don’t like reactionaries or radicals.

McLane is pretty sad for a President, but at least he is a patriotic American and not a radical.

Lets make this very clear. Regarding Michigan, Obama pulled his name off the ballot to punish Michigan. Now he wants to split the votes? I don’t think so. This just proves that Obama does not have the interest of ALL the American people foremost in his mind. What he does want is the nomination and all the democrats be dammed!!! Thank God we are seeing the true Obama before he had a chance to become president. What disaster that would be. He has no original thought. He sits on the fence until he hears what Clinton says and then follows suit and actually tries to make it sound like it came from him first. There must be a stronger word for him than fraud. If he was really the candidate of change then he would be fighting for those disenfranchised votes to count. He would be fighting for the rights of all the people regardless of color or political affiliation. If he is all he says he is then he would be the superman of modern day and defend all of those voters that did not choose to vote early. Of course the Obama supporters are saying that it was their choice. That is a lie. It was a few politicians in power that made that choice and not the people. Obama is a selfish fraud!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by LarryB, Texas
April 11th, 2008 at 6:40 am

Well if Obama succeeds in blocking Florida and Michagan and steals this election, guess this 58 year old man will vote republican for the first time. I don’t like reactionaries or radicals.

McLane is pretty sad for a President, but at least he is a patriotic American and not a radical.
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Larry, welcome to the GOP. Here’s your official American flag, you’re official Remington 870, a box of shells, a gas guzzling Silverado. and your manhood back.

Larry, Sincerely..WELCOME…(By the way, we DO like hunting, just don’t go with Cheney)

Comment by LarryB, Texas
April 11th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Obamaites

You do realize that you are following Obama like people follow a religious leader don’t you? The only thing you will let enter your mind is what he SAYS. You know nothing about him and don’t want to know anything about him but what he tells you to believe about him.

The are acting like you are all on a mission from God.

Anyone who doesn’t follow the “right” path and support him are evil and deserving of your hate….hate?….don’t you realize how scary that is?

You Obama people were most likely nice people before this race, now you are filled with hate for anyone who doesn’t follow.

Hillary and McCain are not evil just for not endorsing Obama, they are both imperfect but nice people who have spent their lives trying to do the right thing for our country. You can disagree with them, don’t vote for them…but don’t HATE them, neither of them hate you.

This should really concern you…stop and think a moment if you still can.
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I would like to add that this is no different that the Islamic extremists and the cults in our own country. Very scary stuff. Obama supporters are like sheep being lead to slaughter and they are happy with it. Well, I for one will fight back to keep our country sane. Our country may not be perfect but we are free at least for now.

McCain will keep the insanity out of the White House. Vote McCain

Comment by Jo Anne
April 11th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Don’t forget to call or write the MSNBC and DNC today with your support for ending media bias and counting our votes!
(MSNBC: (212) 664-4444
letters@msnbc.com
DNC has a contact link on their website.
Let’s be heard,…Today!
If you can’t be at the protest, you can still soppurt it with phone calls and emails.
Maybe Chris Mathew’s leg tingles can be remedied!
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Everyone call..

God Bless America

Andylit

Where are you? I know the blogs are getting really rancid but I miss your input

UPDATE: I am being asked why I’m not counting Michigan and Florida.

Um, it’s not that I’m not counting them, friends, it’s that the Democratic National Committee isn’t.

And that’s because, as we all know, those two states disobeyed party rules and held their contests earlier than the DNC wanted them to do. (Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Sen. Clinton, was on the relevant DNC rules committee and voted to not recognize those states’ delegates. And Clinton herself did not have anything to say about this issue until it became clear that the DNC decision might impact her presidential aspirations.)

But you can see why the Clinton campaign regards those two states and their 368 total delegates (Florida’s 185 pledged and 26 super; Michigan’s 128 pledged and 29 super) as so crucial.

And of course you can see why anyone who professes to believe in democracy and bringing people into the political process (ahem, Mr. Obama) would want those votes to count in some fashion.

So…scrawling on a napkin again…let’s game this out. (Aided once again by the big brain of ABC News’ Karen Travers, though the sheer speculation is mine.)

FLORIDA: Though the candidates did not campaign in Florida, Clinton won 50% of the vote, Obama 33%, and former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC, won 14%.

Since he did not reach the 15% threshold statewide Edwards is not eligible for at-large delegates, but since some delegates are allocated by congressional districts where he did reach 15%, Edwards does get some delegates.

So of the pledged delegates, Clinton gets 106, Obama gets 67, and Edwards gets 12. A net gain of 39 pledged delegates for her.

Of Florida’s 26 superdelegates, we know of 7 for Clinton and 4 for Obama. So that’s a net gain of 3 for her with supers, and a net gain of 42 delegates for Clinton total in Florida.

MICHIGAN: Michigan is much tougher to play out in this exercise, since Obama wasn’t even on the ballot.

You could allocate Clinton’s delegates to her and none to Obama, but that seems insane, or you could allocate Clinton’s delegates to her and those who voted “uncommitted” to Obama, but that also seems rather questionable.

Or you could split the 128 superdelegates down the middle, as Obama’s campaign has suggested, which might end up being Clinton’s best option if she wants to get those Michigan superdelegates recognized, seven of whom support her, with one supporting him.

TOTALS: So you have Clinton’s 1,789 delegates (in my completely hypothetical scenario) + 106 Florida pledged delegates + 7 Florida superdelegates + 64 Michigan pledged delegates + 7 Michigan superdelegates = 1,973 delegates.

And you have Obama’s 1,909 delegates (in my completely hypothetical scenario) + 67 pledged delegates in Florida + 4 Florida superdelegates + 64 Michigan pledged delegates + 1 Michigan superdelegate = 2,045 delegates.

But hold the phone — if Florida and Michigan count, the number of delegates needed to win the nomination jumps from 2,025* to 2,209.

So Obama in this scenario would lead Clinton by 72 delegates, but neither would have enough delegates to secure the nomination, and everything would be in the hands of the roughly 300 uncommitted superdelegates.

Obama would need 165 (about 55%) of them to get the nomination.

Clinton would need 237 (about 80%) of them.

* PLEASE NOTE: While I was doing all this math, the number of delegates required to secure the nomination changed from 2,024 to 2,025, with the swearing-in of new Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif. I changed all the relevant numbers above, but there was a previous version of this post in which 2,024 was cited as the magic number. The correct number is 2,025.

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Sen. Clinton, was on the relevant DNC rules committee and voted to not recognize those states’ delegates. And Clinton herself did not have anything to say about this issue until it became clear that the DNC decision might impact her presidential aspirations.)

Hillary why is your Senior Advisor syill on your campaignHE VOTED TO PUNISH AND STRIP THE VOTES FROM THOSE STATES YOU NEED SOOO BADLY???
DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE PLANNED ON DOING??? DID YOU TRY TO STOP HIM ???/

please Read it all, very interesting Obama lied about being African American!

Federal law requires that to claim a minority status, you must be at least 1/8 of the descriptor, but for the sake of this article, I’ve converted it to a decimal fraction for easier comprehension. You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status. Mr. Obama, claiming to be African-American, is half the legal threshold.

That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side.
By law you must be at least You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status.

Wow hope you all feel good now,lmao.

link so all you peeps can see,do you own research, Obama is Arab-American!

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

Maybe I just want to know that if he gets the presidency, he will get it honestly – if this is general knowledge, and he overcomes it. Maybe I’m just tired of presidents who lie to us; and in this case, I already know Mr. Obama will lie to us, just as he lied in his autobiography, and on so many other occasions documented by Mr. Cohen, by Michael Dobbs, the Washington Post’s factchecker, and so many others.
Need proof? Research the Kenyan records for yourself. You will find that his father was officially classified as “Arab African” by the Kenyan government.

If obama wins he will not be the first African American he will be the first Arab American!

Lauren, Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan and did campaign in Florida. It was a national campaign but he made sure Florida was not taken out of the national campaign. Clinton left her name on the ballot and did not have any of her national campaigns air in Florida.

The choice to take his name off the ballot was his idea and was not forced to. He campaigned in Florida and still lost

Didn’t the Dems whine about all the votes needing to be counted in Florida in 2000? Guess your vote only matters when it helps the candidate the DNC wants to win.

if you read my statement it has not once said anything about Barack .
IT TALKS ABOUT HILLARY SENIOR ADVISOR HAROLD ICKES VOTING TO PUNISH THOSE STATES AND THAT HE IS STILL ON HER PAYROLL.

I HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF THOSE 2 STATES THAT WERE PUNISHED.
HILLARY IS SCREAMING FOR THEIR VOTES RIGHT? WHY WASNT SHE SCREAMING YOUR FIRED TO HAROLD ICKES HE MAY HAVE COST HER THE ELECTION????
WHAT WAS HER PLAN????

Comment by American Woman
April 11th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Comment by Jo Anne
April 11th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Don’t forget to call or write the MSNBC and DNC today with your support for ending media bias and counting our votes!
(MSNBC: (212) 664-4444
letters@msnbc.com
DNC has a contact link on their website.
Let’s be heard,…Today!
If you can’t be at the protest, you can still soppurt it with phone calls and emails.
Maybe Chris Mathew’s leg tingles can be remedied!
_______________________

Everyone call..

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CALL HILLARY INSTEAD AD ASK HER WHY HAROLD ICKES VOTED TO PUNISH THOSE STATES?
THEN ASK HER WHY SHE DID NOT FIRE HIS SORRY BUTT.

Christopher,

That is why the dems’s lost in Florida. Now that are doing it again. The dem’s can not win without Florida. They are cutting off their nose’s to spite their faces. McCain is more towards the middle than even Clinton is. Many democrats will vote for McCain than vote for their own candidates. Can you blame them? Both the candidates keep lying and digging their holes deeper and deeper. Can’t believe a word they say. I still wonder what was in my mind when I was a democrat. I must have been on kool-aid :o)

Lauren,

Vote McCain. He doesn’t lie. In fact he is too honest for his own good. It’s hard for people to take the truth. It hasn’t been done is so long that most people don’t know how to act.

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Christopher,

That is why the dems’s lost in Florida. Now that are doing it again. The dem’s can not win without Florida. They are cutting off their nose’s to spite their faces. McCain is more towards the middle than even Clinton is. Many democrats will vote for McCain than vote for their own candidates. Can you blame them? Both the candidates keep lying and digging their holes deeper and deeper. Can’t believe a word they say. I still wonder what was in my mind when I was a democrat. I must have been on kool-aid :o)

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I hope you’re right, you have a higher opinion of people not buying into arsenic-filled kool-aid than I do. The media is heavily pro-Obama, then there is George Soros and his attack dogs, etc. You can expect the dems to come out with every underhanded tactic imaginable (even some illegal tactics).

Christopher,

That is the democrats MO. This time they are being caught in their lies. Obama won’t even do a serious interview. The most he does now is on the View. Barbara Walters thinks he is good looking and sexy and he loves it. The last time reporters asked tough questions he walked away from them saying that 8 or 10 questions were enough. Hillary is too shell shocked to think straight.

This will be a very interesting campaign.

Christopher
Did you mean like the Torture deal that dick Cheney had agreed to use? The one John McCain had said was illegal to use?? That Republicans can not tell a lie?
That Republicans can not be dirty fighters..Cheney on Rev. Wright disgusting words insinuating that Barack involvement?
NAh we all know Republicans do not get their hands dirty their churches would be mad at them you know the Right wing

Comment by lauren
April 11th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Christopher
Did you mean like the Torture deal that dick Cheney had agreed to use? The one John McCain had said was illegal to use?? That Republicans can not tell a lie?
That Republicans can not be dirty fighters..Cheney on Rev. Wright disgusting words insinuating that Barack involvement?
NAh we all know Republicans do not get their hands dirty their churches would be mad at them you know the Right wing

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You mean like how some Right Wingers got mad after McCain chewed out some “religious leaders” for making similar comments on the Right?

UPDATE: I am being asked why I’m not counting Michigan and Florida.

Um, it’s not that I’m not counting them, friends, it’s that the Democratic National Committee isn’t.

And that’s because, as we all know, those two states disobeyed party rules and held their contests earlier than the DNC wanted them to do. (Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Sen. Clinton, was on the relevant DNC rules committee and voted to not recognize those states’ delegates. And Clinton herself did not have anything to say about this issue until it became clear that the DNC decision might impact her presidential aspirations.)

Lauren,

You might as well quit trying to link McCain with Cheney and Bush. McCain has butted heads with them many times. McCain is honest and believes that arming the people with the truth will do more good than lying and so called “protect them”. I might not agree with everything he says but I do know that when he does say something I know I am not being lied to.

No matter what you think you must know that you have been lied to by the dem’s repeatedly. In fact we are very used to being lied to.

What nobody seems to realize, (at least among Hillary supporters), is that if FL and MI are counted, then what happens in 2012. Every state will move their primary as early as they want and the DNC won’t be able to do anything about it. It will be chaos. Individual states will be competing with each other to have the first primary. The primaries will move to Dec and Nov 2011 or earlier so that some state can be first. Like it or not, Howard Dean is doing the right thing by rejecting the results of the MI and FL primaries.

What nobody seems to realize, (at least among Hillary supporters), is that if MI and FL are counted, then what happens in 2012. Every state will move their primary as early as they want and the DNC won’t be able to do anything about it. It will be chaos. Individual states will be competing with each other to have the first primary. The primaries will move to Dec and Nov 2011 or earlier so that some state can be first. Like it or not, Howard Dean is doing the right thing by rejecting the results of the MI and FL primaries.

Comment by BAMA,S LA LA LAND with WRIGHT,OPRAH,KERRY,KENNEDY,and MICHELLE OBAMA in it
April 11th, 2008 at 9:24 am
What nobody seems to realize, (at least among Hillary supporters), is that if FL and MI are counted, then what happens in 2012. Every state will move their primary as early as they want and the DNC won’t be able to do anything about it. It will be chaos. Individual states will be competing with each other to have the first primary. The primaries will move to Dec and Nov 2011 or earlier so that some state can be first. Like it or not, Howard Dean is doing the right thing by rejecting the results of the MI and FL primaries.
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One vote same day for all states just like the general elections. We should not let a few states decide who our candidates should be. That would change the dynamics of the primaries. It would be fair and everyones vote would count.

What we are doing now is being manipulated by the GNC and DNC.

As an Independent I can say that I am not supporting Obama (and it’s not because of the color of his skin, I would vote for a purple person if they were more Jeffersonian in their thoughts.)

I have a very dear friend who lives in FL, a wonderful woman except for the fact that she has voted a straight democratic ticket her whole life. (Not against democrats, against ANYONE voting a straight ticket. The government should fear the people, not the people fearing the government. If we all became Independent then ALL the politicians would have to work for our votes) Anyway.. This dear friend is not going to vote democratic this year not because she does not like him, she does. The reason is very simple, those who forget history are bound to repeat it.

In 1933 Germany had the last of it’s free elections until 1990. With only 43.9% of the vote the Nazi’s did not have a hope of getting real power in the government. Despite the fact that 107 member of the Social Democrats and the Communists were missing. Those who were not to frightened to show were behind bars suspected of having a part in the fire set at the Reichstag, Germany’s parliament building. (Dutch bricklayer Marinus van der Lubbe was blamed for this and decades of research has not proven that he had any help in setting the fire, in fact most people believe that he was working alone.) However Hilter, Göring and Goebbels used the fire to arrest as many of the political opponents that they could. However even that was not enough, so what did they do? Parliamentary president Hermann Göring elected not even to acknowledge the 81 seats controlled by the Communists. The Nazi’s gained control and at 6:16p.m. the Nazi’s first act as ruling party was to stripe the parliament of power, 444 representatives voted for and only 94 votes against.

When politicaians can decide which votes count and which don’t then they are no longer a political party of the people, but a political power using the people.

Has anyone botherd to ask themselves how is it possible for a man that is on a weekly television program, on the air three times on sunday, written several books, traveled across the country lecturing and preaching at various denominations, and presented his sermons live on the internet to thousands preaching this so called hate messages for over thirty-six years and no one has heard from one member of his congregation or from anyone across the air waves ever said that they represent his church and agree with what you call hate messages? I find it ironic how 36 seconds of a man’s thirty-six years be reduced to this?

If it is possible for him to remain incognito for all these years and not influenced the over 10,000 members that attend his church which comprise of judges, doctors, lawyers, professors, teachers, ministers and people of all economic means and yet you have not heard from anyone conveying the hate you say he spews, doesn’t that make you a bit suspicious of what the media is saying about him.

LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE SERMON BEFORE YOU JUDGE!!

correction to my last post. I mean’t GOP

fOXY,

Don’t need to listen. Hate is hate. He had many tapes not just one 36 second tirade. This isn’t even what this blog is about.

barbara e,

Your idea has some merit, but how would you handle the fact that there would be at least 10 people running and none would get 50%.

Comment by foxy
April 11th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Has anyone botherd to ask themselves how is it possible for a man that is on a weekly television program, on the air three times on sunday, written several books, traveled across the country lecturing and preaching at various denominations, and presented his sermons live on the internet to thousands preaching this so called hate messages for over thirty-six years and no one has heard from one member of his congregation or from anyone across the air waves ever said that they represent his church and agree with what you call hate messages? I find it ironic how 36 seconds of a man’s thirty-six years be reduced to this?

If it is possible for him to remain incognito for all these years and not influenced the over 10,000 members that attend his church which comprise of judges, doctors, lawyers, professors, teachers, ministers and people of all economic means and yet you have not heard from anyone conveying the hate you say he spews, doesn’t that make you a bit suspicious of what the media is saying about him.

LISTEN TO THE ENTIRE SERMON BEFORE YOU JUDGE!!

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There is no taking out of context what he said, I’m not surprised that no-one has spoken out, because they all believe it to be the gospel truth! The don’t get the fact it is hate speech or they believe it.

(Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Sen. Clinton, was on the relevant DNC rules committee and voted to not recognize those states’ delegates. And Clinton herself did not have anything to say about this issue until it became clear that the DNC decision might impact her presidential aspirations.)
hillary supporters ask he why????????????????????????

indy in iowa,

Your comparison to Nazi Germany is absurd. If FL and MI wanted their votes to count, they could have held their primaries when they were supposed to and not moved them up. It was their choice to disobey rules and for that, they are being punished. It’s unfortunate but necessary. The alternative is anarchy if rules do not have to be followed.

Howard Dean,

Doubtful, but if it did happen then that is what the convention is for. You would be amazed at who the nominee would be if the voting was done fair. The real Howard Dean is a fool. How he became the head of the DNC is beyond me. He has no backbone. He is just a puppet for those that want to control the outcome. Look at Obama. He has no original thought but they are backing him because through him they have total control.

It was because the DNC became more and more shady that I became a independent. Know I will only vote for who I think is best regardless of the party.

Lauren,

You are becoming a copy and paste person and it is really getting old. Got anything new to say?

Howard Dean,

It is not absurd at all. The comparison is right on. It was not the people that changed the date of the primaries it was a few politicians that did it. The people had no choice. You guys seem to forget that. Well you will learn soon enough what happens when you take away a persons right to vote. Remember Gore. Can’t win with out Florida

Comment by barbara e
April 11th, 2008 at 9:46 am

Howard Dean,

Doubtful, but if it did happen then that is what the convention is for. You would be amazed at who the nominee would be if the voting was done fair. The real Howard Dean is a fool. How he became the head of the DNC is beyond me. He has no backbone. He is just a puppet for those that want to control the outcome. Look at Obama. He has no original thought but they are backing him because through him they have total control.

It was because the DNC became more and more shady that I became a independent. Know I will only vote for who I think is best regardless of the party.
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That is exactly what people do not want, the nominee decided in the “smoke filled rooms” at the convention. You would, in effect, be disenfranchising the entire electorate which would not satisfy anybody.

@ Howard Dean

You mean like how the Democrats tried to disenfranchise all the military absentee ballots in Florida in 2000?

GO HILLARY !!!
When the votes in FL & MI are counted - Hillary will win PA, do very well in the remaining 10 states - and win the popular Vote. That is the reason the obama group is trying to block the votes in FL & MI - because Hillary WON. - Simple Fact.
The DNC knows they can never win the general without these two important states - so they must count them - that is the only way - asking Hillary to get out “for the good of the party” - is not the way to “fix” the problem that they caused.

To Howard Dean, The PEOPLE of Fl and MI did not decide to move up their primaries, THE GOVERNEMENT of those states did. Those state governments decided to move the primary to an earlier date, the DNC and Howard Dean decided to punish them by not allowing the people’s vote to count. What both The DNC (Howard Dean) and the states government forgot was they were supposed to be there to represent the people.

The Nazi’s were not concerned with the people they were concerned with power, explain how The DNC and the state gov of MI and FL are different. Did the DNC decide to punish the government officials by just denying the super delegates (most of which are elected officials) their votes and still allowing the people’s votes to count? Did they cut the amount of delegates in half the way the Republicans did? NO, Howard Dean said “DO IT MY WAY OR NO WAY!!! Did The state governments vote against moving it forward to allow the people they represent a say in the primary? (No they wanted to move it forward and did so without a concern about the people that put them in office in the first place). What I am saying is that when the party decides which votes count and which ones dont, THEN THAT PARTY IS CORRUPT.