Tex:
I could never vote for Romney, Not because he is a bad guy. I would never vote for him because his strong base of Mormon followers are the most bigoted group of people that ever walked the face of the earth.
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American Conservative:Tex:
Are you kidding me about Mormons being the most bigoted people on earth. Could you please share with everyone why you feel that. Because most of Utah voted for him in the primary. Maybe because they are the ones who felt the affects of how great the Winter olympics helped their economy and how Romney was a major part of why that was able to happen. Why don’t you share with us all the anti-Huckabee or McCain websites that Mormons have created unlike the anti-Romney ones Huckabee supporters have created. You will have a hard time finding any. The leaders of the Mormon church’s policy is to not sponsor or endorse any candidate, but to vote for those who best represent your values. It is bigots like you who are one of many who have created anti-Romney websites and base it solely on his faith with misrepresentations. I can tell you that a majority of Mormons would never vote for Harry Reid, eventhough he is Mormon. People like you disgust me. I do not believe Romney tried to misquote Huckbee’s baptist faith to gain political ground with Evangelicals, and when he started receiving alot of heat from the media he recanted on his accusation. I do not believe Romney’s faith has ever said that Baptist and other denominations are not Christian. The way the Baptist have said Mormonism is not a true Christian religion, eventhough the official name of the Mormon church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do not believe Romney ever had to ask local pastors to encourage their congregations on who to vote for. So give me a break. If people want to vote for Mike Huckabee because he is evangelical and they are to, then more power to them. If people want to vote for Romney because he is Mormon, than more power to them. I personally, do not feel anyone should vote for someone based upon their faith, race, or gender as I have said many times. However, it is human nature. It is wrong when people mistate facts or take out of context, and even make up lies about someone. So again please explain to everyone on this blog why Mormons are the most biggoted people who have walked the face of the earth.
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Cranky:
American Conservative,
You’re either a Mormon Who don’t know what you’re into,or you’re just ignorant of the fact that,in Mormon literature,it states that “if you take the living Prophet out of polotics,you take God out of Government….so much for your statement as to the Churches policy…..Their policy “requires” that the living Prophet,be a part of polotics so as to not leave God out of Government…..Of course,we’re not talking about the same God,if that Matters…Read the last chapter of the last book in the New testament,and see what it says about adding or subtracting to and from the words of the Bible……….the Canon of Scripture ends with the book of Revelation..Elohim is the Mormon God,according to Joseph smith,which is added thru the Book of Mormon……….Does any of this suggest to you whether they are Christian or whether they are a cult…….Well if you can’t decide,I suggest you lean toward the latter….If you need any other proof I have a lot of their literature to quote,and you can spend the time referencing it to prove me wrong,if you can dispell it
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American Conservative:Crankey: You truly are an unintelligent crankey Mormon hater.

First of all, I love how you take things out of context and did not even provide a source. At least some of you are using sources, but still love to take things out of context.

Second, if your false accusation was true, why would our Prophet not be running for office or involved with getting people elected? Please provide all the names that our Church leaders are trying to get elected. Joseph Smith ran for President in the early 1800’s. Part of the reason was because his followers were being persecuted and murdered for no reason other than their faith in God. There was even an extermination order issued by Govenor Wilburn Boggs of Missouri. Washington Government officials did not know of many of these things and Joseph wanted to bring them to light. There has been no Prophet since then that has ran for President.

Third, you mention “Read the last chapter of the last book in the New testament,and see what it says about adding or subtracting to and from the words of the Bible……….the Canon of Scripture ends with the book of Revelation.” I have read the old and new testament and believe these records to be the word of God as far as they are translated correctly. If you had any intelligence at all you would know that the word bible means ” collection of books”. All the books in the cannonized new testament were not written in chronological order. I thought a biblical scholar like yourself would know that. This would mean that Revelations was not the last book written. Therefore any books or letters that have came after Revelations would not be true. Men, not prophets and apostles were the ones who translated and compiled the letters and compiled them all into one book known as the Bible. As we know men are not perfect. For example, there are contridictions in the Bible. You ask where? If you turn to Acts 9:7 ( King James Version) it reads ” And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.” Obviously the voice they heard was that of the Lord, but they did not see the person in which it came from. However, in Acts 22:9 it reads ” And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.” So according to Paul the men saw the same light Paul saw, but did not hear the voice of the Lord. Again this is a clear contridiction, but is done by men that translated it. I guarantee you if we walked side by side with Paul during his ministry, his experience would have always been the same. Does this mean the Bible is not true? No, it proves that men are not perfect and make mistakes.

Since you are such a wise guy, why don’t you educate us all on what Mormons feel the Book of Mormon to b. While you are at it, please explain to us all how our first article of faith is UnChristian. It states “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Wow, now that is unchristian. I know you will not read that on anti-Mormon websites or books. So if you really want to go to the official website of the Church, visit Mormon.org or lds.org. I know biggots like you will not want to go church sanctioned websites so enjoy reading falshoods about our faiths and portraying them as truth.
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Crankey:American Conservative,
What I’ve stated is true ol buddy.As to why your Living Prophet isn’t running for office,could be,because He doesn’t live up to what the Bible,deems a true prophet….The test of a true prophet is the results of the prophecy(whether true or not)…having said that,if you research Mormon History,you’ll see that the so called living prophets even dissagree with each other.Sounds like a religion of convenience in that we can say what we want to today and if it doesn’t sit well tomorrow,we’ll just simply say something else.
If you read the new Testament,you’ll find out that it was Jesus Christ that fulfilled every prophecy of the old testament prophets.Incidently,there is no reference to Lucifer being Jesus Brother,either as long as we’re talking about false accusations
Ed Decker at “saints alive.com” was a Mormon for 20 yrs and was a priest,and went to the temple,go there and see for yourself.Maybe you’d believe one who has been there and done that,(so to speak)…No need for me to go to the Mormon website to be told,what it is apparant,that you have been
As far as arguing with you is concerned,that would be stupid,as you won’t even admit to what is written in your own literature.
You also might want to read II Timothy 3:16,to sooth your explanation of the truth of Scripture,and somewhere else,in my Bible(I’ll let you find it since you need to get into the New testament a little bit,and that you think I’m a wise guy)it states That “Jesus is the same yesterday,today and forever…..which leaves no room for error as far as I’m concerned.He died on that cross for you as well as me,and did so, so you,dont have to work your way into Heaven,it was through Grace….which means “Gift”
The only other thing you’ve said to me, is the same thing that the people that knock on my door say,and they always say they’ll be back,when they get an answer…I have no problem with the people that come to the door,just what’s been done to them……If you’ll refer my last remark to your reference to men make mistakes …..I’ll leave it at that
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American Conservative:
Crankey:
Again, you love to take things out of context, but when you are getting your information from Ed Decker it completly makes sense. Did Ed Decker tell you to ask Mormons about the Last book in the Bible and how that would prove the Book of Mormon is not true? I noticed in your last post you never mentioned anything about my response to your suggestion as I completley debunked your assertion.
You then say that my religion is a religion of conveniance and then proceed to tell me that works have nothing to do with our salvation, we just have to claim with our mouths that we believe in Christ and we are saved. Our actions mean nothing right? Talk about convienance. I believe the Lord said that we need to love God and our neighbor as the two great commandments. He also has told us in the New Testament that if we love him, we need to keep his commandments. The last time I checked we need to love God in order to live with him. The way we show our love for him is Keeping his commandments. keeping the commandments is not just believing in Christ, but doing as he did. This is why we are told in the new testament to be doers of the word, not just hearers only. James goes further to tell us that faith if it hath not works, is dead. I do not have my bible in front of me, but if you would like the references I can sure get them to you.
We are also taught by Christ to become as a little child, or we can in no wise inherit the kindgom of God. Which means we are to be meek, lowly of heart, teachable, just to name a few. This is because these are all the atributes of Christ. We must strive to be like Christ or how can we ask to live with after this life, when we have not tried to ACT like him. So Crankey you must be really emulating these attributes pretty well and feel your salvation is pretty much made sure. Your recent post really show you are emulating those attributes.
Once again you were wrong in your false accusation on our beliefs of salvation. You say that we believe we must work our way to heaven in order to be saved. Did Ed Decker also tell you that? Of course he did, and you will believe him because you don’t like to do any responsible investigative research on what we really believe. So let me enlighten you.
We believe what the new testament teaches in that faith and works are required for salvation, not just works alone. However our faith and works alone will not save us. We are saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ because he fills the void between imperfection and perfection. He can only do this if we have done everything to follow his commandments. This is why we are commanded to repent continually of our wrong doings, but we will still be not perfect, and we know that no unclean thing can dwell with God because God is perfect. Therfore his grace is necessary to fill that void and only Christ can grant it because of his atoning sacrifice and resurrection.
So once again you lied to us all about what we believe. You are going to believe what an apostate from the Church believes and take it as fact. This is why you ask what real members of our faith believe. Guys like you prove my point of men and women lying and distorting others faiths without any merit. This is why good evangelical Christian who follow the ways of Christ can never get true information of what Mormons believe, and consider us a cult because they are being fed this garabage from people like you. I know you will probably share some more misinformation about our faith, so we can go through this excersise till the cows come home. Frankly, I think I have made my point that anything you say can not be trusted and is not even worth responding to.
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Dan B, Cranky, and the rest of you religious bigots need to stop your disgusting hatred for Mormons. You do not even present real facts and take things out of context. And you call yourself American Christians. This is everthing against what Christanity and our Founding fathers taught. You all disgust me. Do you guys huddle around together in your dirty underwear and post this garbage? Grow up and post something intelligent.

WOW, you can’t be more of an idiot if you tried. What the hell did anything I have to say have anything to do with hating Jews, or christians. Your stupidity is painful.
Good job on backing your own candidate. Oh, wait you didn’t. You spouted the same old false crap. Let me show you how to contradict and arguement. You need the help.

Romney was never Pro-choice. He personally believed it was wrong. He was elected in a state where the people chose to be pro-choice. He said he would support the peoples choice. The U.S. is wonderful place where politicians can’t force people. He wasn’t against stem-cell research. After researching it, he changed his opinion. Heaven forbid.

Romney was never for gay marriage. He actually fought it harder than any governor. He was for gay rights. The U.S. is a great place where people who are different are allowed to be. They again, aren’t forced. Be he has always brutally fought for a definition of marriage. So do you think we should take away the rights of any group? What if that happens to be your group.

Romney has owned up to every fee he has raised. Look at the actual numbers $240 million. The numbers Huck and McCain have spouted were from the governor before him. WHen was it that Huck admitted to raising taxes $500 million?

You use lobbyist like a swear word. No lobbyist is a SENIOR advisor. And only 2 advise him, and neither are paid. He also owes no one any favors. The benefit of being a self made billionaire.

Now try being intelligent and respond with actual facts.

Betty Dildy DuPont
Bryan, Texas

Romney is (I’m sorry WAS) a flip-flopper… He doesn’t know what he believes. He’s an opportunist. Typical politician (he follows the polls because he does not have principles).

FACT: Was pro-choice (strongly) … He is now pro-life?
FACT: Was pro-gay-marriage… He claims to be against it now?
FACT: He raised taxes (sorry… fees) in MA
FACT: He had lobbyists advising him in his campaign.

I did not form what I believe listening to Mike Huckabee. I know what I believe. It is obvious that you have something against Christians. And Jews it seems now.

Roads in FL - He was being critical of the stimulus package and giving ways the money could better be used. Twist it all you want. You’re unreasonable… it was Mitt that started the attacks and you can see where it got him. Bye Bye.

Do not vote for a SITTING SENATOR. If they are so good as senators, then they can always remain as good senators. It is a shame to draw senate salary and do nothing but campaigning.

In US history only 2 SITTING SENATORS have ever been elected President. Both died in office.
Why create another “Widowed 1st lady”.

Vote for Huckabee.

You seem to prove your stupidity every time you post. Yes, that is name calling. I am glad you caught on. I have still NEVER said that Huckabee should drop. I even posted that last time that I never said that, and for some reason you haven’t figured that out. He can stay in if he wants. It is just really dumb, unless he is trying to boost his career. That SEEMS like what he is doing. If everyone left in the U.S. voted for Huckabee, he would still LOSE. It is impossible for him to win. That is my point. If every republican from now on voted for him, he still wouldn’t reach 1191. Outside of the evangelical states he can’t break 30%. He isn’t even campaigning anymore. And he hasn’t won the most “republican states”. I don’t care if you like Mormons or not. Utah has been the MOST republican state in the Union. LOOK IT UP. Guess what number 2 is! Idaho. So if you are going to post please use facts. Come on, I know you can find facts that support Huckabee. The problem is, they only tell half truths. Or did you miss the New Hampshire debate. Huckabee lowered taxes 94 times. Wow that is amazing. He saved Arkansas $300 million dollors. What a wonderful guy. Full of integrity. Oh wait the bombshell. He also raised taxes $800 million.
No candidate is “taking money from his campaign”. That is illegal. Ask Huckabee! He did it twice and was fined for it both times. Then on top of that he didn’t report it to the IRS. So go ahead and congratulate for not doing it now. I am glad you understand campaign finance.
I never thought you post was an attack on me, specifically. I thought it was an attack on intelligence everywhere. Huckabee is a horrible candidate. His foreign policy is terrifying. Go look it up. HIs website is great. Under foreign policy, it says that we should give more than the $10 billion a year we are currently giving them so that they won’t be destroyed. They are really being destroyed by Palestinians who can’t even feed their families because Israel keeps them in internment camps. Israel is the dominant force in the Middle East, because of the U.S. Why is it that is his only foreign policy? The man understand so little of the world. His economic plan? Build a road in Florida while campaigning there. Build a road in California while campaigning there. Do you know what we call that? PORK BARREL PROJECTS? Or is the Fair Tax? The 30% tax on goods that if you twist the numbers it can look like 23% but isn’t, and it will create the same revenue that we are currently getting with us paying less. Wow, he really didn’t major in math. The man is a MORON. That is my point, and has always been my point. He won’t get elected, nor will he ever get elected. He can further his career of speaking. That is what he is doing. My other point is how sad it is that so many people are being duped by him. Those who are, according to exit polls, are all evangelicals. How is it that you people are so easily duped. I guess if you are willing to pay a minister to tell you what the Bible says, you are pretty easily duped. That is why the age of enlightenment was so great. People learned to read and could get the Bible so they could figure it our for themselves. Maybe I should pass the plate after this post. Some of you might, just by habit, throw some money in it.

And to all who have been saying the only opposition is from the Mormons who don’t like Huckabee. Get a grip. There aren’t that many mormons in the U.S. to make it only them. And trust me. This isn’t an angry Mormon trying to tear Huckabee down. This is a post from someone you looks at the facts and sees an idiot when one is standing there.

Huckabee nor his ilk will ever win the West and Bush wouldn’t have won without the West nor will any other R candidate.

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I know it is hard for those of you used to corrupt Hucksters to realize, but this man is principaled and does actually do things for the good of the country and mankind.

Not true. Huck got nailed on some of the charges.