Obama Camp on their Delegate Victory
The Obama campaign put on a hastily arranged conference call today, hosted by campaign manager David Plouffe and director of delegate selection, Jeff Berman, to claim victory on Nevada’s delegate count.
Plouffe said Senator Obama chipped away at Senator Clinton’s huge lead and closed strong to come within just several percentage points of winning the caucus. Instead, they settled for a win in the all-important delegate count - Nevada has 25 delegates who vote for a nominee at the convention. After multiple news outlets called the race for Clinton, the Associated Press reported that Senator Clinton won 13 of those delegates while Obama took 12.
Not according to team Obama. It was, in fact, the opposite, according to their math. They explained that Obama won the district with odd numbers of delegates while where Hillary won, the numbers of delegates were even, so the delegates were split evenly. The campaign explained that the state Democratic Party gave incomplete information to the news outlet. An Associated Press reporter on the call piped up during the question and answer period of the call to say the campaign “might be right.”
Plouffe stated that the campaign will have “20 lifetimes” between now and the end of February and ” it does seem like we are headed for a long and protracted fight here.” That campaign, he said, will increasingly turn into a contest for delegates. To rub it in a bit, the campaign announced their conference call today with a quote from Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson, who spoke to the Washington Post three days ago. “This is a race for delegates. It is not a battle for individual states. As David knows, we are well past the time when any state will have a disproportionate influence on the nominating process.” The “David” Wolfson was referring to, of course, was Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.
The Nevada State Democratic Party put out a statement of their own. “No national convention delegates were awarded. The calculations of national convention delegates being circulated are based upon an assumption that delegate preferences will remain the same between now and April 2008. We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support.”
Meanwhile, the Associated Press updated their story, which was forwarded to reporters by the Obama campaign. The first line: “Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama split the spoils in the Nevada caucuses Saturday night, a race marred by late charges of dirty politics.”
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Congradulation to Hillary she really knows how to dupe voters.Part of her 35 years of experience is on the board of Wal-mart,know for anti-labor unions and minimal benefits.Her support came from the educated teachers NSEA,these are the people that teach your children and they can’t even read about their candidates past.
Congratulations to Hillary, I understand the excitment for Obama, but truly he does not have what it takes at this point in time to be President. His time will come of that I am sure, but not this time.
This race is far from over — we won Iowa by quite a bit; then we came in almost tied with Clinton in New Hampshire, which was supposed to be hers by far. But she and the pundits spun it as this huge comeback. That affects public opinion, no matter how much baloney we all know it is.
Now by barely winning the caucus by 4-5% in Nevada, they’re trying to claim that they have all this momentum and are back to “inevitable”. So it’s good to show that we got more delegates, just to stop all the spin that the press would do about the Clinton “powerhouse”.
Let me reiterate — THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER. We are neck and neck with one of the biggest dynasties in the Democratic party’s history. They can try to squash us, but we are a movement that cannot be stopped!
O8AMA!!!!
It is nice to see at least *one* news outlet report on Obama’s delegate victory. Headlines everywhere else read Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, … Such is the advantage of having been First Lady for two terms already. It’s called “riding the husband’s coattails”. Seriously though, Obama won. It’s the delegates, stupid.
“Congratulations to Hillary, I understand the excitment for Obama, but truly he does not have what it takes at this point in time to be President. His time will come of that I am sure, but not this time.”
The time for Boomer politics is over…OBAMA 08…
Congratulations to both OBAMA and CLINTON. I said Obama first because, unfortunately, the nomination process is all about winning delegates just like the general election is all about winning electoral college votes. Wnning the POPULAR VOTE does not matter in both cases. Let’s be fair. Why has the news media been touting a Clinton win? P. S. I am still UNdecided and have no axe to grind. My vote will be based on who the eventual nominees of both parties are.
Obama is a noob.
The truth is this is a real democratic primary. As for the reference to the Clinton dynasty. That would be true if Hillary was Bill’s offspring. Clearly she was born a Rodham and is her own person.
A dynasty is a succession of rulers who belong to the same family for generations. Have no fear after Hillary, Chelsea will not run.
I live in California and have two children with my wife, who is bye the way white and I am african-american. She ia a Clinton supporter and I am a Obama supporter. We have never had any conversation about gender or race until today. She was actually very disappionted that Mr. Obama did not win in Nevada because she believed he had reached the voters there. I asked her if she thought the country was ready for a African-American President and her reply was, ” If not now then when” We both believe the country is ready, willing and able to elect an African-American for president. She doesn’t think that the country is ready for a female president! We have not had women in combat in wars for very long and the pain seems to be greater when a young women in uniform dies in the war. She also thinks that Mrs. Clinton should have divorced Mr. Clinton after the Monica scandal! Mrs. Clinton remained with him because it was her best chance to win the democratic nomination for president. We as Americans still do not get it! The presidency is an institution for the people and by the people. Not for the rich or poor, or black or white. It is for all the people! I remember when this country was a great place to live, for me I wish JFK was still alive! I was not even born when he was President but I have read so much about the man America as a whole Loved this man and he didn’t have any experience either. We will vote for Mr. Obama and pray that God will bless him and his advisers to do the right things that once made this country a great place for all people to live. If Mrs. Clinton wins we will be praying for her as well! If a republican whens then we will be praying for him as well! I think it is going to be Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards on the democratic ticket in November. God speed America, sleep well!
I have a question for the Dems and for FOX NEWS …..The Republicans put their numbers out there for everyone to see …..openly …honestly and “no games ” .Why didnt you embarass the Dems to do the same . What are they hiding …..
Contrast that with it took all day for the Dems ….and they are still trying to spin it . There are 4% points difference between Obama & Clinton ( as of 800pm) …..yet there are 31% UNDECIDED DEMOCRATS ….does anyone in the Dem camp GET IT …..besides Obama .
This isnt rocket science …..on the Republican side …except for Ron Paul & Kucinish ( we have no major player called “undecided “)All the others would be acceptable Presidents ….and apparantly lots of folks think that way .
And please …we listen to FOX to get the other side . So limit the noise of the filibustering Dem …esp Susan Estrich . When she and Alan get going the “screech” is annoying to say the least
Absolutely this race is far from over - Obama actually has the overall lead in pledged delegates at this point, so things are just neck and neck. It’s going to be a long and difficult battle, and Obama supporters should all do their part to ensure that he emerges the victor in the end. Don’t just talk, vote!
Congratulations to Senators Obama and Clinton on your delegates! Obama for President of the United States 2008.
It’s not Nev-odd-ah, where schemers can alter the result with odd math.
Nevada can add. That’s why they call it Nevada!
Every Democrat no matter who he or she supports, must know that the winner must win, and the loser must lose. If we cannot decide upon fair division of delegates, perhaps we should return to winner-take-all?
In all these elections, Hillary Clinton has won the majority of Democrats voting. That includes Iowa where nearly half of Obama’s voters were spoiler-republicans. Those republicans would rather vote OSAMA than OBAMA in the November election.
Senator Obama is the most junior senator we have. He is young and he has been duped. Republicans put the big bucks behind Obama. The republicans are voting Obama to hurt us. Republican skills infest the Obama camp. Dupes in front, republicans behind the scenes, making the commercials, writing the speeches, running his campaign. Failing at the ballot box, the republicans finance the lawyers who hope that they can weasel the process and steal the nomination, rather than allow us free Democrats to select our own Democratic Nominee. Our system invites such abuse, it is true. Nixon chose McGovern. Bush chose fellow bonesman Kerry. But praising Ronald Reagan will not help Obama, unless he seeks to win the Democratic Nomination without the support of any Democrats at all
We very much deserve Bush and will also deserve HRC or Mitt. We will end-up with one of them and God save America!
what is up with all the hillary hype? it’s maddening! the media is so biased it’s disgusting. this thing is far far FAR from over!!! our generation is sick and tired of the same old bull…old, white-haired, white person at the helm. it’s obama’s time!!! obama 2008…love it or leave it!!
Senator Obama, It’s o.kay Senator Clinton underhand won Nevada, but you received the most delegates votes keep up the great work|! The people will wish they had vote for a more honest leader for the President of this United States. If she was to win the President office! Bill will more than happy to bless all of the rooms, all over again!
How interesting that averil and Zac both said the exact same thing?! Do you think they could be Clinton plants trying to “spin” things their candidate’s way? At least try to vary your statements by a word or two, okay guys? As for Obama, he obviously is the only candidate that seems to understand that it is all about the delegate count, not who wins by a few percentage points in each individual state. In time I believe the American people will come out for the change that Obama represents, and not for the same old tired, discredited politics that Hilary represents.
[...] geen normale verkiezingsdag. In Las Vegas was Clinton de hele dag overwinnaar, totdat Obama terecht claimde dat hij meer delegatieleden binnen had [...]
Now that Senator Clinton won the popular vote in Nevada,where is President Bill Clinton to whine? I truly do not understand why Obama is being denied by all means the nomination. Who is more ready than who? Please stop the nonsense.Go Obama, you father inspired you, you will win the nomination.
Who is actually running for the PRESIDENCY BILL CLINTON OR HILLARY. the country need a strong and assertive leader at this point in time. Go Obama 2009.
To Sara on Clinton dynasty: How do you know Chelsea will not run for President?. Don’t kid yourself. She is being groomed alright and appears next to Hillary quite routinely. BTW, when a woman marries she becomes part of her husband’s family (that is conventional wisdom and Hillary did take on Bill’s last name!), so we will have a Clinton dynasty if Hillary gets the nomination and then goes on to win. However, if McCain pulls it off on the Republican side, Hillary may have quite a fight ahead of her and her polarizing self will re-emerge and do the the country great harm, IMHO. This election is turning into a nightmare as far as I am concerned!
So, HRC gets a win by getting the elderly and the elderly women to vote for her! What kind of a change does not represent?
Shouldn’t the seniors and mothers take the cue from their own children and grandchildren and support Obama instead? It is time to move forward, not backward. HRC may be the first woman with a chance to get the nomination but she is far from what the USA needs at this time.
Please Americans when you vote for your President, remember he/she is also the leader of the free world. Please vote one that will bring respect to your nation and most of us outsiders think and know Obama is the choice.
Do voters yet know enough about Barack Obama?
In his books Barack Obama has told the story of the family into which he was born, about a father from Kenya whom he barely knew and about his young American mother who along with his father were college students in Hawaii.
By age 6 young Barack was already living in Jakarta with his mother and his Indonesian step father before abruptly moving back to Hawaii at age 10 to be raised by his maternal grandparents when his mother and her second husband divorced.
Over the years Barack Obama had bonding experiences with white and black relatives and with Asian family members amidst an understandable struggle to find his own identity. Through it all he developed a keen ability to understand and to resonate with people of various ethnic backgrounds.
Barack Obama worked his way through the racial complexities into which he was born to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School and become president of the Harvard Law Review. He served in the Illinois State Senate for 8 years and in 2004 won a 70 % landslide election to become a United States Senator. Barack Obama has had 46 years of personal experience in understanding how perceptions of ethnicity and judgments about race can divide people and he is uniquely qualified to bring a sense of unity and common purpose to all Americans.
In 1963 (when Obama was just 2 years old) on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous “I have a dream” speech that included the familiar phrase of “not being judged by the color of one’s skin but by the content of one’s character.” That speech, of course, helped prompt passage of the 1964 US Civil rights Act and the next year, King was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. If the people of America elect Barack Obama to be their 44th President in November of this year King’s dream will have become much more than just a dream.
Is Barack Obama’s war position inconsistent?
Senator Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator, delivered these remarks October 2, 2002 at the Federal Plaza in Chicago:
“I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.
I Don’t Oppose All Wars
I don’t oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army.
He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.
I don’t oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
Opposed to Dumb, Rash Wars
I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
On Saddam Hussein
Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power…. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors…and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.
I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.
You Want a Fight, President Bush?
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that…we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.”
Barack Obama delivered his powerful speech at the Federal Plaza in Chicago October 2, 2002 against the US beginning war in Iraq while later that same month Hillary Clinton voted for the authorization to begin US military action in Iraq. Once US troops were actually in Iraq and fighting a war, of course, it would be irresponsible for Obama to be against funding the troops. The key is that Barack Obama had the judgment to see the dumbness of the war in October 2002 and clearly said so. Hillary Clinton did not and voted to start the war in Iraq.
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s tactic of trying to paint Obama’s war position as “a fairy tale” or as “inconsistent” is merely “Clinton politics” and clearly demonstrates why America badly needs the enormous breath of fresh air Barack Obama provides. At one time Senator Kerry from Nebraska referred to the Clinton’s as “clever liars” several years before President Bill Clinton told America: “I did not have sex with that woman!” or as Jay Leno quipped, “He didn’t have sex with her, she had it with him!”
Goodbye Bill and Hillary Clinton. Hello Barack Obama.
This race is far from over, some voters though are “sleep walking” into voting for Clinton, why they do not she her arrogance and that all she is a good Actress. Bill Clinton of all people continues to play a dirty game, always bringing up allegations like last night to the media and his eventful comment about Barack Obama and “Fairy Stories” look at yourself Bill where Truth is concerned.
The race goes on and if we want Real CHANGE & HOPE it can only be with BARACK OBAMA not an actress.
Very intelligent
full of energy
A uniter
With a clear vision of hope and change
A new Image for America in the world
OBAMA……listen American Bush senoir Gave you his son don’t let Bill give you Hillary. Pick your leader with your own mind.
You got it Wes. Putting Hillary in might mean the first female president but it also means a third term in the hot spot for both Bill and Hillary - they’re a team - this is a loophole to another shot. I guess they must have liked the White House?
BTW, there is some mighty fishy stuff surfacing around the NH recount - don’t know what it’s not getting more cover story.
Reporters - see these links, including comments:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bev_harr_080118_nh_recount_update_3a_b.htm
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1280.html
First link, about the 8cm slits in the boxes, and then the dodgy behavior of people when they knew their actions were being watched - highly suspect to say the least. I think this issue should get more airplay and influence tightening up voting practices - before, during and after - and get this sorted out before too many other primaries run through. The American people have a right to feel secure that elections are won and not stolen and I’m not sure they are being given that assurance right now.
PS. We had tears in New Hampshire and talking about dealing with the Monica Lewinsky scandal in Nevada. I’m taking bets on what the next story will be to pull female heart strings?
To Trevor. . .
Thank you for sharing Barack Obama’s words. Not only in that speech, but in his book he uses his words to paint a picture of a better world; the hopes that one day our country can get back to a government “of the people, by the people, for the people”. We don’t need anyone with old experience bringing the same old problems back to Washington. We don’t need name calling, voter suppression, intimidation, or the nastiness in politics. What Barack Obama is offering is a new America - if we weren’t so busy dividing the country, we could band together for the good of all. To say that any one person is experienced in every facet of government is ridiculous! We intelligent Americans realize that the president surrounds himself with those more qualified to help in the decision making, and we’re lucky that is in place. I for one welcome anyone who is highly intelligent, has good common sense, isn’t tainted by the ugly side of politics, plus the idea of a youthful candidate very refreshing. No matter what happens, those who support Barack Obama are better people for choosing a candidate with an honest vision. Follow Barack Obama’s lead and stay calm…think before you speak…and make sure your words impact people in a positive, not a negative way. He has lived discrimination and can relate to the majority of Americans – that’s something none of the other candidates can say. He is ready to be our president now, a full year before day 1 of his administration.
I knew it would come down to delegates! I just knew it. I told my husband this on saturday! Congrats Obama! Good job Hillary!
MSNBC first states Obama lost to Hillary in delegates, then says the Obama camp corrects them. But they along with the Clinton camp still are focusing on the popularity vote of Hispanics for Clinton. They are down playing Obama’s win in delegates. The Obama camp sais that Clinton Camp said it’s all about the delegates, and they now have the opportunity to say the same thing. Go Obama 08′.
Barack Obama in my eyes is equal to REAL change in America. Many people talk about bringing people together and understanding the plight of those considered underprivileged and overlooked. I believe he really has relevant thoughts and ideas pertaining to the issues of today. Bill clinton made one decision that many of his detractors continue to parade. It was a personal decison - as President - he did a phenomenal job. I have always been a Clinton supporter (BILL)- but I do NOT AGREE with the tactics being used by her campaign to sway voters. Crying on television was a “new” low in my eyes. It does not take a genius to guess that she was reaching out to the “soft-hearted” women of the world by pretending vulnerability. In my opinion - that was her one bad decision. To be the wife of a president coupled with the tenacity needed to remain in politics year after year- Soft-hearted is something she is NOT. I believe in REAL change- honesty and integrity. It’s unfortunate that the Democratic vote is split between the two. A race of delegates is the bottom line in this race. The headlines that read Hillary is winning - may be premature. When this race is over - hopefully the Democratic party will be able to come together and vote as one.
Barack in 08 !
Miesha
Enough of Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush for twenty Years. Wake up USA! Male-female, Black-White are not relavant in the 21st century. You can do it, United States of America. Elect a true leader. OBAMA gets my vote.
I’m 100% for Mr. Obama!! I don’t care for the Clinton’s “Dirty Tactics”.
I believe Mr. Obama needs to sharpen his knife a little more in the debates.
Bill
GO Obama - 08.
You would think the RACE was over. What Obama has been able to do:
1. He makes the Great Society Boomers look ridiculous by questioning his experience
2. He makes the self anointed inauthentic Black Leadership look ridiculous by questioning his experience
3. He makes a large segment of the country look towards the hopes and dreams of the possible future, and stop falling for the systematic entrenched bureaucratic machinery that is the government, the media, special interest and corporations that has divided us all.
whatblackmenthink.com
Big deal. Obama gets an asterisk. Wait until he loses Florida and California. Then let’s do a delegate count.
I am a registered Democrat. If Hillary is the nominee. I am voting for Mcain. That’s not threatening, that’s my right!
It seems that america always picks the most plastic,i will say what you want me to say ,candidates,knowing somewhere in the recesses of their minds there is something amiss,that when you look into these candidates history of statements,they are more interested in what they can do for themselves than what they can do for america. We seem to avoid really good candidates.
Clinton currently has 210 of 2,025 delegates needed for the nomination. Obama has 123. So what exactly is this huge victory, again?
In Iowa they both split 18 delegates, but Obama trumpeted that as a huge victory — the amount of people that voted mattered more than the delegates.
So which is it again, Obama? Do delegates matter more or does every vote matter more? And this spinner is supposedly a harbinger of change from politics as usual. Sounds like he’s more of the same.
No matter which way you dice and slice the word “real change” or getting rid of the “boomer politics”, the “reality” is that 99% of the both Houses, the top positions of the entire Federal bureacracy are being occupied by boomers and are structured hierachically so a real change is to turn the US Government upside-down very much like a revolution overthrowing the old regime and replacing it with a new one. Selling this to the younger generation who is more gallible and appear to shun everything old is of course very appealing. Unfortunately, this is a purely absurd idea. Obama may be a visionary leader but the Presidency is not an on-the-job training program. It’s utterly obvious when Obama professed in an interview that he was not a COO but rather a leader surrounding himself with seasoned advisers. In other words, he will delegate his managerial responsibilities to his adjutants and subordinates by staying at the top brandishing his baton in dispensing his vision. In fact, he will still be getting his advices from boomers nonetheless.
In all fairness, we need much more than this. we need a president who is thorough in being a hands-on chief executive as well as knowing the intricacies of power-brokering among competing interests and partisan politics (they exist whether you like it or not) and a total grasp of international affairs. A visionary and idealist may be great for a religious group or movement but putting it in politics might cause more harm than good to our country. Obama is not ready yet. This country is not ready for him yet. Give him 8 more years.
to Joshoa–go vote for Mc Cain. yeah you have the right to switch party too.
Do we need your vote come this Nov? NO!
I can’t understand why a Democrat will want a repeat of the worst of any presidency from yet another Republican, who touts the same disastrous idealogy, by voting against his/her own party just because they don’t like Hillary Clinton. You are worst than the clown named Joe Liebermann.
Let me give you a piece of advice as a Democrat—-support whoever wins the party nomination. I will support Obama if he wins the nomination even if I am a Hillary supporter. This is what a true Democrat should do. The policies differences between both candidates are not significant. you should get rid of your personal prejudice against Hillary and vote for her against the Republicans during the general election if she wins the nomination. Otherwise please switch your party affiliation to Republican or don’t vote at all.
to Trebor—a very clever analogy that Obama just told the truth and that Bill Clinton lied. But obviously missing is what else Obama is bringing to the table beside his “Change” salad bowl and what does Hillary have to be implicated with her husband’s sin? Politics is dirty from day one. The way you portrayed the Clintons and the way you praised Obama’s seeming ability to cross ethnic lines with his resonating with “people of various ethnic background” is veiled dirty politics
under a disguise of objectivity. Don’t forget, the vote to authorize military action was part of a larger strategy at that point to coerce Saddam Hussein to let the weapons inspectors to go in again or otherwise we would appear as toothless tigers following various UN resolutions without avail. The ultimate responsibility by all accounts laid with GW Bush who took us to war under false pretense. We should not fault the Houses to give the authorization. the sole blame should go to GW Bush and his warmongers who hijacked the country and brought us into this calamitous and endless war. Your litany of Obama’s speech was nothing more than a cover of what a surrogate does for his candidate. Just another sign of dirty politics at work.
come on take a ride on the huckabus, huckabus, jeaaa…
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A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR ANOTHER BUSH, BUT WORSE!!!!LORD HELP US!! GO HILLARY!!!